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You are right, but obviously that's the idea.. It's a small catch-22. But It is surely still good news - better to have REBOL community growing in France and elsewhere, even if it must be a regionalized community in some respects. The great news is that REBOL code is cross-platform and understandable to all, especially if we make a nice way to have internationalized comment strings and menus. As you know the French are strongly into promoting their language. That means that TV/Film for example are almost always dubbed into French, no subtitles which can help one develop foreign language skills. When I went to live in France, this made it easier to learn French because deeper immersion. A very talented French programmer I worked with 2 years ago was ok at English language text, but brilliant at reading it if it was technical docs[programming]. But he could not write English and we almost always spoke in English because he could not keep up conversationally. I know Koreans who also can read fluently but not speak or write with the same skill. My French friend regretted this situation, because he said it did affect his international job options, Gerard said he felt his chilldren [college age] and many of their friends also faced limited life/work/travel options because of diminished English skills, and blamed the situation on cultural attitudes and National policy, the media, schools etc. He felt that it gets harder as one gets older to surmount these issues. Although he followed English language newsgroups and mailing lists, he was exceedingly quite about ever posting there. For all I know he's reading this.. I know he's hip to REBOL and likes LOGIN magazine. [Salut Gerard!] The Italians over age 35 tend to be in a worse predicament. The northern Europeans are the best perhaps Netherlands, Germany, Finland, Sweden etc. And it seems judging by Rebol, Czech too :-) As a native English speaker, it is so impressive how other people can work in English, especially programmers. Kudos to people like you who can do it so well. I am blessed by the advantages my mother tongue, but also discourage from developing stronger language skills. Being English makes one very lazy about other languages. ./Jason

<...> Hello All: I believe that there are translator pages, I keep deleting the bookmarks.... It has occured to me that if rebol has no reserved words, than one could alias all rebol words in french, am I right here? What a way for the linguistically challenged like me to learn french - program in rebol! -- Tim Johnson <[tim--johnsons-web--com]> http://www.alaska-internet-solutions.com http://www.johnsons-web.com

Hi Tim That's a pretty bizarre proposal ... can you make up an example? ./Jason

Hi Jason... Of course not... I can't speak French :-) But seriously folks, I'm in Alaska, and I'm looking for someone who can write Yupik or Innuit to investigate this idea. (We teach rebol as intro to programming here) My proposal to learn another (speaking) language by aliasing rebol words in that language was "tongue in cheek", but I am interested in the aliasing part... -tj-

-- Tim Johnson <[tim--johnsons-web--com]> http://www.alaska-internet-solutions.com http://www.johnsons-web.com

It'd be FREBOL then though, wouldn't it? (: (Umm, and pronounced free-bol , of course...) I'd second (third?) the thoughts of us linguistically challenged native English-speakers. The non-native English-speakers use of English here is very impressive. I salute you all! Not that you should think you need to be fluent in English to post here. Like moving to a functional programming language for the first time, It opens our eyes to different ways of saying things when you use syntax that is halfway between your language and ours. As to a French (or other non-English forums), I think they would be a good thing. English-speakers can come here or to other lists or boards for help, but I don't think you should have to learn English before you get access to good REBOL support. In some ways it's kind of nice that the first book that covers View wasn't written in English. Shows REBOL's a world-language too. -- Carl Read