[ALLY] /View is cool, but...
[1/6] from: ryan:christiansen:intellisol at: 17-Apr-2001 16:23
I don't have anything against /View and I can't wait to find time to play
with it more, but...
Why is it important that RT promote /View as an interface solution?
Instead, couldn't RT promote REBOL as a back-end scripting solution, using
web browsers as the interface solution? For example, REBOL could be used
even as a localhost web server, utilizing whatever web browser is handy as
the interface solution, accepting GET and POST, etc., and returning output
to a web browser, using the browser's built-in support for images, sounds,
animation, etc.
I'm asking this question because I'd really like to know how developers
benefit from this focus on /View instead of REBOL-browser integration.
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[2/6] from: gjones05:mail:orion at: 17-Apr-2001 17:07
From: <[ryan--christiansen--intellisol--com]>
> I don't have anything against /View and I can't wait to find time to play
> with it more, but...
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> benefit from this focus on /View instead of REBOL-browser integration.
> Ryan C. Christiansen
Hi, Ryan,
I understand what you are "getting at." In some ways I have wondered the
same thing. But I think that the real point is that RT is targeting a
problem space that goes *beyond* the proto-typical browser interface. I
suspect that if they had infinite resources (excuse the hyperbole), they
would be simultaneously developing a browser plug-in, a multi-threading
Apache module, etc, as a way to demonstrate the proficiencies of the
language. But they are "forced" to focus on the most critical portion of
the target; hence, the fruits of their labors suggest the actual target.
Interestingly, despite being a very widely used language, the Tcl/Tk plug-in
has essentially died on the vine, and the Apache Mod_Tcl is still rarely
offered by the broad market Internet Presence Providers (ie. website
hosters). This trend (or lack of trend) basically has told me that the
problem space is "adequately" filled, even though the readily available
solutions are not really ideal. The only somewhat wide use of this language
as a backend solution is in the AOL server. It is *the* scripting language
for this server. Obviously, AOL manages to serve many a page, but few even
realize that it is Tcl that has provided the scripting solution. In my
opinion, REBOL is far superior to Tcl in many facets, but I just can't see
REBOL as *making it* in the big world just because it has been adequately
placed in the backend server or browser plugin market. Few people think
about COBOL, but it still is largely the real big business solution.
Amazing.
I'm not disagreeing with the idea; I wish it did fill the role that you
invision. I wish it were widely available in this capacity. I just
suspect given the market conditions and the fact that resources are bounded,
it is not likely to happen. I'm curious to see whether CURL will even make
a dent in the big scheme.
I think for the real solution to information processing and dissemination,
RT and REBOL is on the right track. But, it will be a hard, uphill battle,
no doubt. Of course, a killer app would make all the difference in terms of
exposure; I am convinced that Python would still be a relatively unknown
scripting language except for Zope making a splash.
Thank you for expressing your opinion, as these expressions cause us all to
think, which is what is *really* important.
--Scott Jones
[3/6] from: carl:rebol at: 17-Apr-2001 15:06
A good solution to distributed computing requires that you be on both
ends and also in between.
-Carl
At 4/17/01 04:23 PM -0500, you wrote:
[4/6] from: agem:crosswinds at: 18-Apr-2001 0:19
>I don't have anything against /View and I can't wait to find time to
play
>with it more, but...
>
>Why is it important that RT promote /View as an interface solution?
>
>Instead, couldn't RT promote REBOL as a back-end scripting solution,
using
>web browsers as the interface solution? For example, REBOL could be
used
>even as a localhost web server, utilizing whatever web browser is
handy as
>the interface solution, accepting GET and POST, etc., and returning
output
>to a web browser, using the browser's built-in support for images,
sounds,
>animation, etc.
>
>I'm asking this question because I'd really like to know how
developers
>benefit from this focus on /View instead of REBOL-browser integration.
>
>Ryan C. Christiansen
>Web Developer
>
some thoughts
fast written.
you have to connect your web-page to the scripts somehow.
this relation is much closer with /view than with html/cgi
works offline too. but smart enough to use the web if connected.
(i think this is a big point for express)
very small, script with action size of text with tags :)
very responsive.
user can edit it (may be a point after a while)
a lot can be explaind better with animation/interaction.
rebol has the size/load-time of pure text,
the animation of flash/whatever
and the intelligence of java.
animated interactive math-course with online-hiscore? can be done now
:)
(well, who mention bignums?)
Volker
[5/6] from: kolla:nvg at: 18-Apr-2001 6:25
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Carl Sassenrath wrote:
> A good solution to distributed computing requires that you be on both
> ends and also in between.
I'm just curious about what happens to security in such a world.
I've sometimes been baffled of the glories ways dialecting lets
you shoot yourself in the foot ie that spaces are so vital...
a: 2
b: 3
c: a + b
c -> 5
c: a+b
normally gives error, but if you, or something further up has somehow
managed to put
a+b: 6
a: 2
b: 3
c: a+b
c -> 6
Now, I know people who would spin in their graves by this, if it wasnt
for the fact that they're all still walking around :)
-- kolla
[6/6] from: dmurrill:mindspring at: 18-Apr-2001 13:17
testing...
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