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[ALLY] OFR (open file requester) (was) Notice: Prepare for VID B5 Changes Re:(6)

 [1/8] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 19-Aug-2000 7:28


[brian--hawley--bigfoot--com] wrote:
> [carl--cybercraft--co--nz] wrote: > >But as long as the requesters are half-way decent ones I
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> relearning on the users' part to handle new programs. This > is a bad idea from a UI design standpoint.
Hmm, well, then file requesters should be really well abstracted (I am scared from some "hardwired" RT's solution). People will develop their custom solution if RT's not gonna be general enough. E.g. let's say someone is using custom design. Will there be the option to switch off borders, title bar, etc.? What about custom title bar with possibility of putting custom icons(actions) there? (look at allen's rebol forces site). It could be object based ... -pekr-

 [2/8] from: petr::krenzelok::trz::cz at: 19-Aug-2000 13:51


[allenk--powerup--com--au] wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[Petr--Krenzelok--trz--cz]>
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> solution of calling the systems default file dialog should be an option for > us?
Do you mean web browser solution as an example or just do you mean starting web browser thru browse with some java-script code to put-up dialog? I think you were thinking in terms of first mentioned option ... Well, I will mention it once again :-) If /Shell and /Library would be part of /Core, then one wrapper function for certain platform would bring us file requesters in an very easy fashion. It is so limiting missing such features in /core that I dare to say it is killing further REBOL acceptance in the computing world ... You are allowed to disagree with me of course :-) -pekr-
> Cheers, > Allen K
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> been thinking of doing something similar as a browse/download tool for the > RT script library.
Hey, that's nice, realy is. A small web OS, isn't it? :-)

 [3/8] from: allenk:powerup:au at: 19-Aug-2000 15:53


----- Original Message ----- From: <[Petr--Krenzelok--trz--cz]> To: <[ally--rebol--com]> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 3:28 PM Subject: [ALLY] OFR (open file requester) (was) Notice: Prepare for VID B5 Changes Re:(6)
> [brian--hawley--bigfoot--com] wrote: > > [carl--cybercraft--co--nz] wrote:
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> allen's rebol forces site). It could be object based ... > -pekr-
Hi Petr, Since I got a mention ;-) It will be difficult thing to come up with an acceptable file browser for all platforms. Just swapping between BeOs, Mac, Win and Amiga and we see how many concepts there are. Will a standard solution ever be accepted? (Try to please everyone and you end up pleasing nobody) Maybe the web browser solution of calling the systems default file dialog should be an option for us? Cheers, Allen K PS. On a new VID related topic. I've been playing with a filtered display for my rebsite. (Dynamically adding and removing items) This might be the only/last chance to see this version before b5 breaks it. Here it is. I've been thinking of doing something similar as a browse/download tool for the RT script library. REBOL [] do http://www.janita.com.au/rebolforces/reb/index2.r

 [4/8] from: rebol:techscribe at: 19-Aug-2000 22:05


Hi Petr, you wrote:
>E.g. let's say someone is using custom design. Will there be the >option to switch off borders, title bar, etc.? What about custom title >bar with possibility of putting custom icons(actions) there? (look at >allen's rebol forces site). It could be object based ...
Was the file requestor mentioned as a VID style, or did I misunderstand it? Assuming that is so, I would expect to find the source to the file-requestor at: system/view/vid/vid-styles/file-requestor and I would make my custom version REBOL's standard file requestor on any system by evaluating an expression like system/view/vide/vid-styles/file-requestior: make system/view/vide/vid-styles/file-requestior [ title-bar: none ] Why are you concerned? ;- Elan [ : - ) ] author of REBOL: THE OFFICIAL GUIDE REBOL Press: The Official Source for REBOL Books http://www.REBOLpress.com visit me at http://www.TechScribe.com

 [5/8] from: anton:globalcenter:au at: 19-Aug-2000 22:59


Man, that is a nice piece of work! A couple of suggestions: Penguin - I can't figure out how to play it! Help menu can 'browse to some instructions somewhere? ;-) Anton. [allenk--powerup--com--au] wrote:

 [6/8] from: allenk:powerup:au at: 20-Aug-2000 0:10


> Do you mean web browser solution as an example or just do you mean
starting web
> browser thru browse with some java-script code to put-up dialog? I think
you
> were thinking in terms of first mentioned option ... > > Well, I will mention it once again :-) If /Shell and /Library would be
part of
> /Core, then one wrapper function for certain platform would bring us file > requesters in an very easy fashion. It is so limiting missing such
features in
> /core that I dare to say it is killing further REBOL acceptance in the
computing
> world ... > > You are allowed to disagree with me of course :-) >
No, I think we are agreeing here Petr. In HTML forms there is the file field, which shows the native file lister for the system that the browser is running on. I think we should be able to call the native file browser from View just like using any of the other prefab dialogs that will be in VID. But then again, if each of these components is purely in VID style, it makes it easier to use View and VID as the basis of a standardised REBOL/OS..
> > PS. On a new VID related topic. I've been playing with a filtered
display
> > for my rebsite. (Dynamically adding and removing items) This might be
the
> > only/last chance to see this version before b5 breaks it. Here it is.
I've
> > been thinking of doing something similar as a browse/download tool for
the
> > RT script library. > > > > Hey, that's nice, realy is. A small web OS, isn't it? :-)
LOL! That's next ;-) Cheers, Allen K

 [7/8] from: rebol:techscribe at: 20-Aug-2000 13:39


Hi Petr, I just looked it up. Carl mentioned the requestors as part of his VID 5 announcement. I take that to mean that requestors are VID styles. At 04:47 PM 8/20/00 +0200, you wrote:
>[rebol--techscribe--com] wrote: >> Hi Petr,
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>"In addition there will be these requestor pop-ups:" >.. so OK, let's assume requestors will be just another encapsulated
vid-styles
>rather than funcs "messing" in 'what listing ... >-pekr-
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>> http://www.REBOLpress.com >> visit me at http://www.TechScribe.com
;- Elan [ : - ) ] author of REBOL: THE OFFICIAL GUIDE REBOL Press: The Official Source for REBOL Books http://www.REBOLpress.com visit me at http://www.TechScribe.com

 [8/8] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 20-Aug-2000 16:47


[rebol--techscribe--com] wrote:
> Hi Petr, > you wrote:
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> >allen's rebol forces site). It could be object based ... > Was the file requestor mentioned as a VID style, or did I misunderstand it?
If it is just a vid style, it is OK. Sorry for not being so responsive, I've got hd crash yesterday ... Carl wrote: In addition there will be these requestor pop-ups: .. so OK, let's assume requestors will be just another encapsulated vid-styles rather than funcs "messing" in 'what listing ... -pekr-
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