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 [1/12] from: jeff:rebol at: 6-Jul-2001 6:44


> ; time & date: 12:11:47 06 July, 2001 > > ; FIRST UP APOLOGIES FOR THE LARGE SIZE OF THIS POST. > > ; Now uses PICK' for system/schemes & 1 based indexing > ; seems to work thus far............ Second Version for > ; Testing / Debugging / Optimizing known bug HELP breaks
Mark: This is a mailing list, not a source code version control system. Are you seriously going to waste this much bandwidth in your relentless quest to mutilate REBOL? -jeff

 [2/12] from: robbo1mark:aol at: 6-Jul-2001 10:31


Jeff, No sorry 8-( I didn't mean to forward this to the REBOL list rather my home email account, I was forwarding the previous mailing with a few changes I'd made and SENT it before I'd realised I hadn't altered the intended address or put in a message subject line sorry for wasting bandwith / unintentionally wasting peoples time. HOWEVER I DON'T CONSIDER ZERO INDEXING A MUTILATION OF REBOL! I'll stop shouting now. Also why do you have to use words like "relentless quest" and "mutilate" why not "interesting changes" and "trying to resolve peacefully an ongoing issue". Nobody else seems to be doing anything else but bickering and flamebaiting yourself included. Sorry about the second wrongly sent BIG post. cheers my REBOL friends, have a good weekend break folks. Mark Dickson In a message dated Fri, 6 Jul 2001 9:52:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jeff Kreis <[jeff--rebol--net]> writes: <<
> ; time & date: 12:11:47 06 July, 2001 > > ; FIRST UP APOLOGIES FOR THE LARGE SIZE OF THIS POST. > > ; Now uses PICK' for system/schemes & 1 based indexing > ; seems to work thus far............ Second Version for > ; Testing / Debugging / Optimizing known bug HELP breaks
Mark: This is a mailing list, not a source code version control system. Are you seriously going to waste this much bandwidth in your relentless quest to mutilate REBOL? -jeff

 [3/12] from: jeff:rebol at: 6-Jul-2001 8:14


> Also why do you have to use words like "relentless quest" > and "mutilate" why not "interesting changes" and "trying to > resolve peacefully an ongoing issue".
I wouldn't use words like "interesting changes" -- "resolve blah blah" because that wouldn't be my opinion. To me, blind search and replace hacks on any moderately sized software system is the definition of reckless and capricious software mutilation. And watching it with REBOL as the target just hurts my brain. :-) I suppose we have different standards, Mark. -jeff

 [4/12] from: robbo1mark:aol at: 6-Jul-2001 12:22


NO JEFF, I must strongly object! We don't have different standards, different abilities and different access to resources then yes. You get paid full time to work on REBOL, write REBOL & native code, and have full access to all parts of the system as well as the people who wrote the different parts of REBOL that you didn't help write personally. IT WAS YOU WHO SUGGESTED TRYING TO IMPLEMENT ZERO INDEXING BY REDEFINING WORDS. I took up the challenge for the fun of it, however I have a full time pressing day job and can only "Hack" at REBOL and everything else inmy spare time so I suppose IAM what I've heard RT folks term a "Hobbyist". I didn't write ANY of the REBOL mezzanine code so when trying to FIND and replace redefine words how else do you suggest that somebody attempts it other than trying to SEARCH for what your looking for and REPLACE it if you think it makes sense. So yes that's MUTILATION if the folks who really know where everything is and what needs to be changed WON'T do anything at all to try & help you. Therefore an open source approach of "with enough eyeballs all bugs are shallow" I posted what I had and appealed to those on the List who are interested in ZERO INDEXING to help me incrementally refine and improve the code until it doesn't break anything and is not a mutilation as you so kindly put it. It hurts my brain too knowing that with the "right" HELP the task could be approached so much better and the desired results produced so much more cleanly and quicker. Okay so you don't agree with zero indexing nor think that would have a beneficial effect on achieving the "goals" of REBOL. But what about the goals of your users? Nobody would be forced to use a completed & highly polished ZERO-INDEX patch, people would only use it if they wanted and if they felt it made REBOL seem more intuitive or easier for them. If you are correct then these people are in the minority, and that may be so, but do their needs not matter? Nobody would be "harmed" by a zero-index patch, some people might benefit, so is that a wrong thing to aspire to or to try to help to create? YOU have more talent, expertise and resources than me, that much is obvious, why not practice what you preach about being a good list member and help me out here rather than only offering unconstructive criticism and negativity. Maybe YOU & most others wouldn't like or use the zero-index-patch, that's fine that's your perogative, but why not respect the people who might and offer some helpful advice & constructive support to your users / supporters / customers who would prefer zero based indexing. I don't want to mutilate REBOL, I want zero-indexing and logical equivalence of zero, none, false values etc. If as you put it Iam making a pig's ear of things then for goodness sake HELP me, put me on the right tracks. I'll do all the donkey work if you give me a prescription of what needs to be done.
>> Pick [false true] none
== false looks just as pretty as ...
>> Pick [ 1 2 ] false
== 2 Surely this is an "aesthetic" difference / preference about style and correctness. If you agree with that then why is it so heinous for people to disagree with you? The ball as they say is back in your court. cheers my REBOL friend 8-) Mark Dickson
>> Also why do you have to use words like "relentless quest" >> and "mutilate" why not "interesting changes" and "trying to
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> target just hurts my brain. :-) > I suppose we have different standards, Mark.
-jeff

 [5/12] from: jeff:rebol at: 6-Jul-2001 9:51


> IT WAS YOU WHO SUGGESTED TRYING TO IMPLEMENT ZERO INDEXING > BY REDEFINING WORDS.
I have to remember to be very careful with my tongue and cheek around you, I suppose. This is just more of a useless bandwidth soak. I give up, Mark. You win. You are the victor. Down with software architecture, Up with: "replace/all source old-thing new-thing because I don't have the time, will, energy, resources, understanding ..." -jeff

 [6/12] from: robbo1mark:aol at: 6-Jul-2001 13:19


JEFF, okay so maybe you did suggest it tongue in cheek, but I still want to do it. I don't want to win! ( if that's not your tongue in cheek humour again 8-) If you know me at all by now Iam not interested in personality battles or winning or anything Like that. What Iam interested in and DO try to achieve is trying to make things better if that's what in my opinion needs to be done or might be beneficial to be done. ZERO Indexing and all that nonsense doesn't suit everybody, fair enough I accept that. However wouldn't it be good to show REBOL strength and proving it to implement behaviour / functionality that might be against the original "design" aspirations. In one of my earliest introductions to REBOL Carl wrote that it was designed to evolve and that there were NO reserved or keywords, everything could be redefined if that was your need. Well this is my need, my desire, AND some (maybe minority) other peoples. It would be great if you could help. All Iam asking is you to guide me in the right direction as to how best implement / approach the task. I will DO all the donkey work & all the rest. I've no desire to be any kind of a victor, I just want to use the language I love which is REBOL and make it "better" (in my opinion) if I can. I think a zero-index-patch might be a useful thing of some utility & help to myself and others, that's all. This is something I would like to do! cheers Jeff, Mark Dickson In a message dated Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:59:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jeff Kreis <[jeff--rebol--net]> writes: <<
> IT WAS YOU WHO SUGGESTED TRYING TO IMPLEMENT ZERO INDEXING > BY REDEFINING WORDS.
I have to remember to be very careful with my tongue and cheek around you, I suppose. This is just more of a useless bandwidth soak. I give up, Mark. You win. You are the victor. Down with software architecture, Up with: "replace/all source old-thing new-thing because I don't have the time, will, energy, resources, understanding ..." -jeff

 [7/12] from: inetw3:mindspring at: 16-Jul-2001 21:35


I think this is only available with sertain service packs and on the win2000 platform, or NT. It does not work in win95, 98 unless you run a MS server to do the MS.XMLHTTP posting. I looked at this closely and found out you would need a boat load of M$ software just to recognize the no reload ability just for personal use. Unless someone out there is willing to let us place our scripts in there M$ boxes.

 [8/12] from: inetw3:mindspring at: 16-Jul-2001 21:44


Hi all, I have been playing around with copy and pasting to the clipboard://, but I would like to use a function to do it for me. I give... I can easily write the read function, but the write function wants a value, and if I give it one in the function it writes that one to the clip board. can any one show me (with explanation) how to do this? write: func [ cipboard:// /local post] [ post: [write clipboard:// ("")] do post]

 [9/12] from: inetw3:mindspring at: 29-Aug-2001 13:08


Hi all, Is there a way to write a script security feature like, -q -w etc. in a rebol script but not executed from the comand line and still keep the shell from popping up? I checked my Rebol Official Guide book and the Rebol core pdf but cant't find the answere for this one. Any thoughts, I really appreaciate your help and when i finish writing this Rdc (rebol data control for www) i'll post it.

 [10/12] from: ryanc:iesco-dms at: 29-Aug-2001 11:34


This cant be done at script level. By the time the script executes, the window has already shown. If you cannot use the command line switches, try using a wrapper (bash script that calls rebol ). --Ryan iNetW3 wrote:
> Hi all, > Is there a way to write a script security feature like, -q -w etc.
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> [rebol-request--rebol--com] with "unsubscribe" in the > subject, without the quotes.
-- Ryan Cole Programmer Analyst www.iesco-dms.com 707-468-5400

 [11/12] from: inetw3:mindspring at: 14-Aug-2001 12:16


Thanks for asking Ric, <warning; long> I was putting together a real browser plug-in that took one set of code and wrote it out for NS, IE, and Java applet from a dialect, but i could only parse %.rscripts to give me the first text box, button, file, etc.. that was found in the them. Not smart enough back then. I thought about the fact of constant browser changes so the Rebol/java plug was only really needed. Rebol and java might be too slow(must test more) so now I've learned to hack at the clipboard:// I copy from within IE pieces of the rebol script (thanks to reblolets,(DHTML)) ,read/parse Rebol clipboard:// data, store it in an EMCScript array(SOON) from Rebol script and throw it back at the rebolet code in the browser. I f I'm wrong, sue me (let me know clipboard:// limits) but it works. Now I'm ready to sp:save png, throw sp and HTML(and whatever) at the browser. It's all easy to do, just time consuming to put all those pieces together for me. Carl could do all this in about less than one hour. So could about 8 or 9 others on the list. I have all the working parts ready to go. But do they really want to use Rebol as the next Web service messaging language in the internet setting or is it just talk? I don't think they are after browsers but we (some) are. Whatever do we do. If I can manage my time and get a demo out, the next step is to use the Java clipboard classes to do it, and I got that all ready too. No need to build a true Rebol plugger when you can just paste and go, or, you really think RT is doing it as you type. Question? Are we left kicking against the pricks, i mean, is RT using this stealth time, to make the next thing, and we all just spun our wheels kicking the Core code around? Still fun though! (how much more of that 4mill$ do they have left anyway?)

 [12/12] from: mechtn:tkweb at: 15-Oct-2001 12:54


Can anyone tell me how I would make this program read each line from test.txt and make them a variable. For instance if test.txt had the following values on each line. o40_1955 o40_1996 o40_1997 o40_1998 How could I make the read/lines put that into a variable. Like just keep reading and making new variables till it hits the end of the file or 30 variables whichever comes first. Thanks guys for all your help! rebol [ Title: "Read lines from txt file" Author: "Koie Smith" Date: 15-Oct-2001 File: %koie1.r Purpose: { Read lines from a txt file and set them as variables. } ] print read/lines %/c/rebol/test.txt halt

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