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View on 060 Amiga?

 [1/11] from: dwhiting::europa::com at: 19-Feb-2001 11:15


Hi all, I just recently started playing with Rebol again after a looonnng hiatus. Whenever I try to start View (version: 0.10.38.1.1) on my 060 (config below) the sequence is as follows: 1) Recoverable Alert 2) Total Freeze of system 3) Reboots itself Using Snoopdos, the last thing I see is an open for Topaz 8 font. Trying to log to RAD: is ineffective, since the RAD: doesn't survive the reboot. Is this _my_ problem, an OS problem, a Rebol problem ... ??? Config: OS3.9 (same symptoms when booting under OS3.1) CMKIII 060/50 64Meg Ram PIV TIA, Dick -- #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=# *Dick Whiting* <[dwhiting--europa--com]> _http://www.europa.com/~dwhiting/_ /Satyre/ on Undernet #AmigaCafe# #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=#

 [2/11] from: ddalley:idirect at: 19-Feb-2001 17:19


Hi, Dick: Welcome back to the REBOLion. On 19-Feb-01, Dick Whiting wrote:
> Whenever I try to start View (version: 0.10.38.1.1) on my 060 (config > below) the sequence is as follows: > 1) Recoverable Alert > 2) Total Freeze of system > 3) Reboots itself
...
> Is this _my_ problem, an OS problem, a Rebol problem ... ???
No-one else piped up, so... I have been able to get View working on my '060, in the past, but I don't use it - it may be me, but it uses too much graphics RAM and I don't "need" the GUI. Although I'd love to write a GUI for what I do, unless some-one can explain how to use it more efficiently without a graphics expander, it may stay that way for the foreseeable future. I am still a cronic Core REBOL.
> Config:
You have more than enough resources to get it working, but your crashing experience was not what I saw happen here. Maybe Bo can help. -- ---===///||| Donald Dalley |||\\\===--- The World of AmiBroker Support http://webhome.idirect.com/~ddalley UIN/ICQ#: 65203020

 [3/11] from: carl:cybercraft at: 20-Feb-2001 11:26


On 20-Feb-01, Dick Whiting wrote:
> Hi all, > I just recently started playing with Rebol again after a looonnng
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> TIA, > Dick
I've not an 060, but it seems odd that your View's looking for topaz during its startup. I've not changed my View's font settings, but watching its startup with DOSTrace doesn't reveal any request for topaz, just CGTriumvirate. These are the font files it looks for... ViewX: Opening old file "FONTS:CGTriumvirate.font": OK ViewX: Closing "Workbench:Fonts/CGTriumvirate.font": OK ViewX: Opening old file "FONTS:CGTriumvirate.otag": OK ramlib: Loading segmented image "LIBS:bullet.library": OK ViewX: Opening old file "Fonts:_Bullet/if.fnt": OK ViewX: Closing "Workbench:Fonts/_bullet/if.fnt": OK ViewX: Opening old file "Fonts:_Bullet/if.uc": OK ViewX: Closing "Workbench:Fonts/_bullet/if.uc": OK ViewX: Closing "Workbench:Fonts/CGTriumvirate.otag": OK ViewX: Opening old file "FONTS:_Bullet_Outlines/CGTriumvirate.type": OK ViewX: Opening old file "Fonts:_Bullet/plugin.types": OK ViewX: Opening old file "Fonts:_Bullet/plugin.types": OK ViewX: Closing "Workbench:Fonts/_bullet_outlines/CGTriumvirate.type": OK ViewX: Closing "Workbench:Fonts/_bullet/plugin.types": OK ViewX: Closing "Workbench:Fonts/_bullet/plugin.types": OK Could it be you haven't some of those and so something somewhere defaults to topaz? -- Carl Read [carl--cybercraft--co--nz]

 [4/11] from: alanwall:sonic at: 19-Feb-2001 18:04


Hello Dick On 19-Feb-01, Dick Whiting wrote:
> Hi all, > I just recently started playing with Rebol again after a looonnng hiatus.
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> TIA, > Dick
This is something that Bo/Holger should be able to answer as when I left Rebol they had an 060 3000.Plus I upgraded SAS to the lastest version so they may need to recompile for the 060 ? Regards -- The Golden Rule tarnishes unless polished with use. -- Unknown JMS Trustee http://www.jms.org HP=http://www.sonic.net/~alanwall/ First computer solar powered vic-20 AmigaQNX-notAmigaNG=no good computers for people not suits sent via Yam ver2.2 on AmigaForever verIV Be a Rebel get Rebol@ rebol.com UIN#=9391028

 [5/11] from: alanwall:sonic at: 19-Feb-2001 18:12


Hello Carl On 19-Feb-01, Carl Read wrote:
> On 20-Feb-01, Dick Whiting wrote: >> Hi all,
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> Could it be you haven't some of those and so something somewhere > defaults to topaz?
and this is what snoopdos showed here-using latest experimental: FORM Count Process Name Action Target Name Options Res. ----- ------------ ------ ----------- ------- ---- 1 [5] rebol OpenFont CGTriumvirate.font Size 12 Fail 2 [5] rebol OpenFont CGTriumvirate.font Size 12 Fail Regards -- A man who turns green has eschewed protein. -- Unknown JMS Trustee http://www.jms.org HP=http://www.sonic.net/~alanwall/ First computer solar powered vic-20 AmigaQNX-notAmigaNG=no good computers for people not suits sent via Yam ver2.2 on AmigaForever verIV Be a Rebel get Rebol@ rebol.com UIN#=9391028

 [6/11] from: alanwall:sonic at: 19-Feb-2001 18:18


Hello Carl On 19-Feb-01, Carl Read wrote:
> Could it be you haven't some of those and so something somewhere > defaults to topaz? >
Guess I have the same problem here but can not remember where the fonts prefs is in Rebol/View. Regards -- Agnosticism is the philosophical, ethical and religious dryrot of the modern world. -- F E Abbot JMS Trustee http://www.jms.org HP=http://www.sonic.net/~alanwall/ First computer solar powered vic-20 AmigaQNX-notAmigaNG=no good computers for people not suits sent via Yam ver2.2 on AmigaForever verIV Be a Rebel get Rebol@ rebol.com UIN#=9391028

 [7/11] from: dwhiting:europa at: 19-Feb-2001 20:30


Hello Alan On 19-Feb-01, Alan Crandall wrote:
> This is something that Bo/Holger should be able to answer as when I left > Rebol they had an 060 3000.Plus I upgraded SAS to the lastest version so > they may need to recompile for the 060 ? > Regards
Hopefully one of them will make a comment. YO BO, you there;)
>> I've not an 060, but it seems odd that your View's looking for topaz >> during its startup. I've not changed my View's font settings, but >> watching its startup with DOSTrace doesn't reveal any request for >> topaz, just CGTriumvirate. These are the font files it looks for...
After multiple attempts, I figured out that the request for topaz was for the alert. The last Rebol request is for loading CGTriumvirate 12 which succeeds...then TOTAL freeze.
> On 19-Feb-01, Carl Read wrote: >> Could it be you haven't some of those and so something somewhere
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> prefs is in Rebol/View. > Regards
The open fails are no problem, they just mean that you haven't loaded the CGTriumvirate font previously. Dick -- #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=# *Dick Whiting* <[dwhiting--europa--com]> _http://www.europa.com/~dwhiting/_ /Satyre/ on Undernet #AmigaCafe# #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=#

 [8/11] from: carl:cybercraft at: 20-Feb-2001 22:48


It's a longshot, but a while back I had problems with a new version of View due to using one of the old REBOL icons with it, the experimentals not coming with icons. The icon's tooltypes' box was filled with guff and the message "Don't edit this!" Deleting it all did the trick. (: On 20-Feb-01, Dick Whiting wrote:
> Hello Alan > On 19-Feb-01, Alan Crandall wrote:
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> loaded the CGTriumvirate font previously. > Dick
-- Carl Read [carl--cybercraft--co--nz]

 [9/11] from: chris:starforge:demon at: 20-Feb-2001 10:21


Carl Read wrote:
> I've not an 060, but it seems odd that your View's looking for topaz > during its startup. I've not changed my View's font settings, but > watching its startup with DOSTrace doesn't reveal any request for > topaz, just CGTriumvirate. These are the font files it looks for... > > Could it be you haven't some of those and so something somewhere > defaults to topaz?
Are you using something like MCP's default font override (whcih can redirect calls to topaz to another font..)? Chris -- New sig in the works Explorer2260 Designer and Coder http://www.starforge.co.uk

 [10/11] from: bo:rebol at: 20-Feb-2001 12:44


Dick, The problem may be that View is trying to open a window larger than your available screen size. One thing to try is to make your screen perhaps 1024x768 or put the following in your user.r file: start-view?: off If View still crashes after the above is in your user.r file, then we will have to do some more searching. If not, then the likely problem is something to do with the initial window that is trying to be opened. Here is some more info for Amiga users I've posted before. Some of it may be a little out of date, but overall should be helpful. REBOL/View for Amiga has a few options not available on other systems due to the unique nature of the OS. REBOL/View can be opened on a public screen. In your user.r, change the following line: system/view/screen-face/options: [] to something like this: system/view/screen-face/options: [ exclusive-colors dither monochrome ] Exclusive-colors will open an ASL screenmode requester on systems which support it (3.0 and higher). If exclusive-colors is specified and the system doesn't support the ASL screenmode requester, the screenmode can be set explicitly with the following line: screen-mode: "NTSC:Hires" This should be placed directly after EXCLUSIVE-COLORS in the user.r file. Note that the text following SCREEN-MODE must be the exact text found in the screenmode requester brought up by the system's SCREENMODE Prefs program. Additionally, the following should be available now or at some point in the future: screen-name: "My REBOL screen" screen-size: 800x600 The REBOL/View console will be brought up on the regular Workbench screen but the REBOL/View graphical windows will be brought up on the selected screen. The selected screen will stay open until the REBOL/View console is exited. To improve color quality on low-color modes, DITHER can be specified to allow dithering of the available colors to more closely approximate the true colors requested by the REBOL/View script. Sometimes, a grayscale representation is the desired choice for low-color modes in which case MONOCHROME can be specified. The built-in DEMO requires a screenmode of approximately 660x420, plus the amount of offset from the upper left corner of the screen. For users using NTSC or PAL monitors, it is advisable to select a screenmode and manually change the size to 800x600 or greater to account for this. If opening the REBOL window on a Workbench screen, the AUTOSCROLL option in the SCREENMODE Prefs is a good choice to allow viewing the entire demo. If an attempt is made to open the demo on a screen which is too small, REBOL currently may cause the machine to lock up or reboot. This issue is being addressed. The DEMO currently requires at least 7MB or more to run on some Amiga system set-ups. All efforts to reduce the memory footprint are being made for future versions. To turn off the demo, enter the following line in your user.r: start-view?: off You may also wish to add the following line to your user.r file if you intend to open REBOL/View windows on the Workbench screen: system/view/screen-face/size: 800x600 where 800x600 is the resolution of your Workbench screen (modify for your particular resolution). This will help keep the LAYOUT command from improperly determining what size to build a dynamic display. This often leads to improper layout of text in tall vertical columns instead of the normal horizontal layout. In order to use the BROWSE command on the Amiga version of View, the OpenURL library must be installed on your system. OpenURL is a part of OS3.5. Older versions of AmigaOS can download OpenURL from Aminet. -Bo On 19-Feb-2001/11:15:35-8:00, [dwhiting--europa--com] wrote:
>Hi all, >I just recently started playing with Rebol again after a looonnng hiatus.
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>[rebol-request--rebol--com] with "unsubscribe" in the >subject, without the quotes.
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 [11/11] from: deryk:iitowns at: 21-Feb-2001 9:48


[bo--rebol--com] wrote: [snip, mention about lockup] Another way to aid would be to run enforcer, mungwall, and sushi (or ones other faviorite debugging tools) to aid in the location of the problem, though having a DEBUG compiled binary would help as well.. Deryk

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