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[ALLY] Rebol View on an Amiga

 [1/15] from: gord::raboud::home::com at: 25-Aug-2000 12:53


Hello Rebols;
>program that's made me think I really need an extra 16Mbs. That >said, there's still plenty you could do with View on an 18Mb Amiga, >as long as you keep the fancy graphics to a minimum and don't expect >to run too many other programs alongside it.
Very true. I ran some tests: Startup time for rebol_view with demo off: 18 secs (68040 - 25mhz. Not timed on 68060 DraCo.) Memory used: 2.48 MB (no 'demo'), 5.65 MB (with 'demo' on).
>As to speed, I consider View to be quite fast on my machine, given >it's running on just a 50Mhz 030. In fact I'm as pleased as punch >something as modern and as potentially useful as REBOL's been made >available for the 68k Amigas that there's no way you'll catch me >complaining to RT about its speed on them. I'm just too happy to >have it to play with. (:
I certainly agree. Just to clarify; I didn't mean to complain, I was just trying to come to terms with the reality that Rebol View's use on a standard Amiga, (no PPC with faster memory, faster SCSI), may have limited use. The 'Demo' screen looks plain enough and I was kind of hoping that because I was using a 256 color screen that the memory consumed would be similar to what a web browser uses to diplay a page of the same size. Rebol View seems to be using a different and what appears to be a more powerful method, (alpha channel support, multi-layers), for displaying graphics and this power comes with a price, (in terms of memory used). I have yet to explore this to see what can be done. -- Yours Truly Gordon Raboud [raboudgo--home--com]

 [2/15] from: alanwall:sonic at: 2-Nov-2000 11:08


Hello [bo--rebol--com] On 02-Nov-00, [bo--rebol--com] wrote:
> Carl, > Check the date on your system. Make sure it is the correct date.
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>> right number... >>
Same problem here and have the date set correct :( Regards -- These days it's hard to look at a poodle without thinking what a good meal he would make. -- Steve Martin JMS Trustee http://www.jms.org HP=http://www.sonic.net/~alanwall/ First computer solar powered vic-20 AmigaQNX-notAmigaNG=no good computers for people not suits sent via Yam ver2 on AmigaForever ver3 Be a Rebel get [Rebol--rebol--com] UIN#=9391028

 [3/15] from: bo:rebol at: 2-Nov-2000 8:34


Carl, Check the date on your system. Make sure it is the correct date. If it is, send a message to [feedback--rebol--com] explaining the problem! Thanks! -Bo On 2-Nov-2000/23:56:06+12:00, [carl--cybercraft--co--nz] wrote:
>On 02-Nov-00, Kolbjørn Barmen wrote: >> Hi!
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>[rebol-request--rebol--com] with "unsubscribe" in the >subject, without the quotes.
-- Bohdan "Bo" Lechnowsky REBOL Adventure Guide REBOL Technologies 707-467-8000 (http://www.rebol.com) The Official Source for REBOL Books (http://www.REBOLpress.com)

 [4/15] from: carl:cybercraft at: 2-Nov-2000 23:56


On 02-Nov-00, Kolbjørn Barmen wrote:
> Hi! > Rebol view on amiga just crashed 8000 0008 on me, I was trying to > enter the rebol.com when a requester pops up and tells me my > "REBOL/View is out of date. Click on upgrade to download the latest > version", so I did.
I'm getting the "REBOL/View is out of date." message on my Amiga REBOL/View too, which is an odd message to get when you've just downloaded and installed the latest version. Clicking on Upgrade seems to download something, but after quitting View, restarting it and running the Demo again, I still get the "out of date" message. What's the Test Panel comparing here? As system/version gives the right number...

 [5/15] from: kolla:nvg:ntnu:no at: 2-Nov-2000 1:55


On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 [bo--rebol--com] wrote:
> kolla, > Until we get the situation fixed, edit a user.r file in your View directory
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> That should take care of the situation until we take care of the situation. > :-)
Yes, thanx, that did the trick :)
> I wish you could come over to my house and config my Amiga the way > you've got yours configured. I'd even feed you pizza! ;-) But alas, maybe > mine isn't high-octane enough (A3000/[060--50]/72+2MB/CGX3D-64/2.3GB HD).
Actually my setup is very much like yours, only I also have a PPC, 128MB fast and 10x as much HD-space (mostly empty ofcourse) :) -- kolla

 [6/15] from: bo:rebol at: 1-Nov-2000 15:44


kolla, Up until now I thought that was MS Windows-specific, but it looks like it might be a 0.10.38 problem. Thanks for reporting it! -Bo On 1-Nov-2000/23:07:06+1:00, [kolla--nvg--ntnu--no] wrote:
>Another minor glitch in the amiga version is that sometimes line ends get a >small vertical line, very visible on the movie demo:
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>[rebol-request--rebol--com] with "unsubscribe" in the >subject, without the quotes.
-- Bohdan "Bo" Lechnowsky REBOL Adventure Guide REBOL Technologies 707-467-8000 (http://www.rebol.com) The Official Source for REBOL Books (http://www.REBOLpress.com)

 [7/15] from: bo:rebol at: 1-Nov-2000 15:43


kolla, Until we get the situation fixed, edit a user.r file in your View directory and make it look like this: REBOL [] system/view/screen-face/size: 800x600 That should take care of the situation until we take care of the situation. :-) I wish you could come over to my house and config my Amiga the way you've got yours configured. I'd even feed you pizza! ;-) But alas, maybe mine isn't high-octane enough (A3000/[060--50]/72+2MB/CGX3D-64/2.3GB HD). I love seeing cool Amiga setups! -Bo On 1-Nov-2000/22:41:57+1:00, [kolla--nvg--ntnu--no] wrote:
>On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 [bo--rebol--com] wrote: >>
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>[rebol-request--rebol--com] with "unsubscribe" in the >subject, without the quotes.
-- Bohdan "Bo" Lechnowsky REBOL Adventure Guide REBOL Technologies 707-467-8000 (http://www.rebol.com) The Official Source for REBOL Books (http://www.REBOLpress.com)

 [8/15] from: kolla:nvg:ntnu:no at: 1-Nov-2000 23:07


Another minor glitch in the amiga version is that sometimes line ends get a small vertical line, very visible on the movie demo: http://amiga.nvg.org/moro/rebol/movie.jpg -- kolla

 [9/15] from: kolla:nvg:ntnu:no at: 1-Nov-2000 22:41


On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 [bo--rebol--com] wrote:
> kolla, > > I don't know why View would have crashed on you. Does it do it every time > you run it?
No, only in the particular situation I described. [great stuff about amiga version :) ]
> You may also wish to add the following line to your user.r file if you intend > to open REBOL/View windows on the Workbench screen: > > system/view/screen-face/size: 800x600 > > where 800x600 is the resolution of your Workbench screen (modify for your > particular resolution). This will help keep the LAYOUT command from > improperly determining what size to build a dynamic display.
This is what we can do to get rid of the text layout problem? The silly bits is that you cannot set up a user.r from scratch install, as the prefs window is layd out in a way so that you cannot reach the "save" button, just because of this bug :) http://amiga.nvg.org/moro/rebol/view-prefs.jpg -- kolla

 [10/15] from: bo:rebol at: 1-Nov-2000 11:35


kolla, I don't know why View would have crashed on you. Does it do it every time you run it? Also, here is some information specific to Amiga View users. Check the very end for information related to your text layout problem. REBOL/View for Amiga has a few options not available on other systems due to the unique nature of the OS. REBOL/View can be opened on a public screen. In your user.r, change the following line: system/view/screen-face/options: [] to something like this: system/view/screen-face/options: [ exclusive-colors dither monochrome ] Exclusive-colors will open an ASL screenmode requester on systems which support it (3.0 and higher). If exclusive-colors is specified and the system doesn't support the ASL screenmode requester, the screenmode can be set explicitly with the following line: screen-mode: "NTSC:Hires" This should be placed directly after EXCLUSIVE-COLORS in the user.r file. Note that the text following SCREEN-MODE must be the exact text found in the screenmode requester brought up by the system's SCREENMODE Prefs program. Additionally, the following should be available now or at some point in the future: screen-name: "My REBOL screen" screen-size: 800x600 The REBOL/View console will be brought up on the regular Workbench screen but the REBOL/View graphical windows will be brought up on the selected screen. The selected screen will stay open until the REBOL/View console is exited. To improve color quality on low-color modes, DITHER can be specified to allow dithering of the available colors to more closely approximate the true colors requested by the REBOL/View script. Sometimes, a grayscale representation is the desired choice for low-color modes in which case MONOCHROME can be specified. The built-in DEMO requires a screenmode of approximately 660x420, plus the amount of offset from the upper left corner of the screen. For users using NTSC or PAL monitors, it is advisable to select a screenmode and manually change the size to 800x600 or greater to account for this. If opening the REBOL window on a Workbench screen, the AUTOSCROLL option in the SCREENMODE Prefs is a good choice to allow viewing the entire demo. If an attempt is made to open the demo on a screen which is too small, REBOL currently may cause the machine to lock up or reboot. This issue is being addressed. The DEMO currently requires at least 7MB or more to run on some Amiga system set-ups. All efforts to reduce the memory footprint are being made for future versions. To turn off the demo, enter the following line in your user.r: start-view?: off You may also wish to add the following line to your user.r file if you intend to open REBOL/View windows on the Workbench screen: system/view/screen-face/size: 800x600 where 800x600 is the resolution of your Workbench screen (modify for your particular resolution). This will help keep the LAYOUT command from improperly determining what size to build a dynamic display. Have fun! -Bo On 1-Nov-2000/19:41:51+1:00, [kolla--nvg--ntnu--no] wrote:
>Hi! >Rebol view on amiga just crashed 8000 0008 on me, I was trying to enter
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>[rebol-request--rebol--com] with "unsubscribe" in the >subject, without the quotes.
-- Bohdan "Bo" Lechnowsky REBOL Adventure Guide REBOL Technologies 707-467-8000 (http://www.rebol.com) The Official Source for REBOL Books (http://www.REBOLpress.com)

 [11/15] from: kolla:nvg:ntnu:no at: 1-Nov-2000 19:41


Hi! Rebol view on amiga just crashed 8000 0008 on me, I was trying to enter the rebol.com when a requester pops up and tells me my "REBOL/View is out of date. Click on upgrade to download the latest version", so I did. A window popped up with system info and where to save, and download started, a few secs later it went 8000 0008. Another thing, for some reason a lot of text blocks come up very narrow. Example, the "Hello REBOL World!" comes up in a thin tall window... H ell o R E B O L W or ld! And the gradient demo also has a G ra di e nt Ef fe ct T e st s ontop. See http://amiga.nvg.org/moro/rebol/rebol-bug.jpg for a screenshot. -- kolla

 [12/15] from: bo:rebol at: 2-Nov-2000 14:04


I downloaded the latest experimental for Amiga and checked it. The current version (make sure you click reload or refresh on your browser) is good until 30-Nov-2000. If your date is less than 31-Oct-2000 or greater than 29-Nov-2000, it may not work. In AmigaOS, type DATE at the AmigaDOS prompt to verify your date settings. If it still appears to be correct, please cut and paste the date returned from AmigaDOS and the message from the REBOL/View session that says it is expired (get the full REBOL header if possible). Send the info to [feedback--rebol--com]. Thanks! -Bo On 2-Nov-2000/11:08:35-7:00, [alanwall--sonic--net] wrote:
>Hello [bo--rebol--com] >On 02-Nov-00, [bo--rebol--com] wrote:
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>[rebol-request--rebol--com] with "unsubscribe" in the >subject, without the quotes.
-- Bohdan "Bo" Lechnowsky REBOL Adventure Guide REBOL Technologies 707-467-8000 (http://www.rebol.com) The Official Source for REBOL Books (http://www.REBOLpress.com)

 [13/15] from: kolla:nvg:ntnu:no at: 4-Nov-2000 12:03


On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 [bo--rebol--com] wrote:
> I downloaded the latest experimental for Amiga and checked it. The current > version (make sure you click reload or refresh on your browser) is good > until 30-Nov-2000. If your date is less than 31-Oct-2000 or greater than > 29-Nov-2000, it may not work. > > In AmigaOS, type DATE at the AmigaDOS prompt to verify your date settings.
In AmigaDOS, date is localized. Could that be the problem? Also I noticed that my date does not say 04-Nov-2000, but 04-Nov-00. http://amiga.nvg.org/moro/rebol/date.jpg -- kolla

 [14/15] from: carl:cybercraft at: 5-Nov-2000 0:55


On 04-Nov-00, Kolbjørn Barmen wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 [bo--rebol--com] wrote: >> I downloaded the latest experimental for Amiga and checked it. The
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> http://amiga.nvg.org/moro/rebol/date.jpg > -- kolla
This is how I checked these dates within View...
>> now
== 5-Nov-2000/0:26:45-5:00
>> Beta-Expiration-Date
== 30-Nov-2000/13:44:11-8:00 That's using Amiga View 0.10.38. As this seemed right, I reported to feedback that the Test Panel was saying I needed to upgrade. However, since then I tried running the upgrade script and it said the latest View is 0.10.34, so I'm picking that's where the error is - in the date it and the Test Panel are getting from rebol.com. (Reported this to feedback too.) Carl Read.

 [15/15] from: bo:rebol at: 6-Nov-2000 10:26


Carl, Yes, that is where the problem is. After kolla sent a picture of his Workbench with the error message in it, I fully understood the nature of the problem. For now, just ignore the message. You should still be able to use View without problems after clicking OK. -Bo On 5-Nov-2000/0:55:10+12:00, [carl--cybercraft--co--nz] wrote:
>On 04-Nov-00, Kolbjørn Barmen wrote: >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 [bo--rebol--com] wrote:
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>[rebol-request--rebol--com] with "unsubscribe" in the >subject, without the quotes.
-- Bohdan "Bo" Lechnowsky REBOL Adventure Guide REBOL Technologies 707-467-8000 (http://www.rebol.com) The Official Source for REBOL Books (http://www.REBOLpress.com)

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