ml dialect, scheme and rebol associations

[1/7] from: bry:itnisk at: 20-Jan-2003 19:06

Just came across this http://www.ai.mit.edu/%7Egregs/ll1-discuss-archive-html/msg01827.html (Succinctness, power, XML transformations) at [ll1-discuss--ai--mit--edu] and I found it quite pleasant for the associations it evoked in my mind with the ML dialect.

[2/7] from: al::bri::xtra::co::nz at: 21-Jan-2003 8:42

Bryan wrote:

> Just came across this

http://www.ai.mit.edu/%7Egregs/ll1-discuss-archive-html/msg01827.html (Succinctness, power, XML transformations) at [ll1-discuss--ai--mit--edu] and I found it quite pleasant for the associations it evoked in my mind with the ML dialect. Thanks! Is there anything in that message or the associated web site, that you feel would be a good or useful addition to the ML dialect? Andrew Martin ICQ: 26227169 http://valley.150m.com/

[3/7] from: bry:itnisk at: 21-Jan-2003 9:56

>Thanks! >Is there anything in that message or the associated web site, that you

feel

>would be a good or useful addition to the ML dialect?

Not particularly, I suppose with the library restructuring that's going on there'll be some sort of xml-tools download which will consist of your ML dialect and Gavin's xml scripts, such as xml-object.r One thing I was thinking about is that as the ML dialect now handle's namespaces there could be a rebol namespace. If we defined some number of REBOL agreed on metadata etc. then one could, when generating markup with ML place namespaced attributes on a tag. I've found this to be extremely useful in situations where you want to round trip, although using tools other than Rebol. For example one thing we do in our product when producing PDF is first generate XSL-FO, we've set up a css-like system for handling styling of the FO. The first run through of an FO instance sets styling through classes, and generates a PDF, if one wants to further edit said PDF one can examine Ids and types for portions of the FO tree. So for example <fo:block it:class="p" it:id="Welcomep11" it:type="pInsideSection2ContainsTable"> ..... </fo:block> This is of course an example specific to presentation, but if there were some things specified that one could put out that we all agree on, then xml-object could maybe be extended to allow it to better consume markup generated with these namespaced declarations/attributes. Anyway forgive me if this doesn't seem very clear here, as I haven't given it a lot of thought, but hopefully it will strike someone as interesting and there can be some discussion.

[4/7] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 21-Jan-2003 11:05

Hi Bryan, b> ...I suppose with the library restructuring that's going b> on there'll be some sort of xml-tools download which will consist of b> your ML dialect and Gavin's xml scripts, such as xml-object.r Just FYI, the first phase for the library project is just to clean things up a bit and organize the existing entries better. Gavin's stuff doesn't seem to be in there at this point. -- Gregg

[5/7] from: rgaither:triad:rr at: 21-Jan-2003 13:35

Hi Gregg,

> b> ...I suppose with the library restructuring that's going > b> on there'll be some sort of xml-tools download which will consist of > b> your ML dialect and Gavin's xml scripts, such as xml-object.r > > Just FYI, the first phase for the library project is just to clean > things up a bit and organize the existing entries better. Gavin's > stuff doesn't seem to be in there at this point.

First - thanks in advance for the efforts of everyone involved in the library project. I'm not trying to be pushy with these questions, I'm just very interested in the project and its results! How is the library project going? I may have missed it but has the description or form this project is taking been discussed? Any chance you can give us some timeframe for when the results of the first phase are going to be available? Has a map of the phases been published? Thanks, Rod. Rod Gaither [rgaither--triad--rr--com] Oak Ridge, NC USA

[6/7] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 21-Jan-2003 12:49

Hi Rod, RG> How is the library project going? It's going well, we think. Like many volunteer projects, it has had fits and starts, but we've had lots of good discussion and made lots of progress. RG> I may have missed it but has the description or RG> form this project is taking been discussed? Not publicly. What we want to do is release *something* and get feedback on it. We're running the project on an IOS server and have had *lots* of discussion there about various design and architectural issues. RG> Any chance you can give us some timeframe for RG> when the results of the first phase are going to RG> be available? Soon, hopefully. :) We do have an internal target release date we've set for ourselves, but we're not publicizing it. Should we *happen* to miss it, we don't want people to be disheartened and think it's never going to happen. RG> Has a map of the phases been published? Nope. We've been trying to come up with a set of long-range goals and once we got those vaguely nailed down, we started focusing on phase I, which is mainly just to get something out the door that will give people an idea of the direction it's headed and show that we're alive. We'll make an announcement here when we go live. Thanks! -- Gregg (on behalf of the Library Team)

[7/7] from: rgaither:triad:rr at: 22-Jan-2003 10:51

Hi Gregg,

> RG> Any chance you can give us some timeframe for > RG> when the results of the first phase are going to

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> miss it, we don't want people to be disheartened and think it's never > going to happen.

I understand, though not missing it would be the newsworthy option in this business! :-)

> RG> Has a map of the phases been published? > > Nope. We've been trying to come up with a set of long-range goals and > once we got those vaguely nailed down, we started focusing on phase I, > which is mainly just to get something out the door that will give > people an idea of the direction it's headed and show that we're alive.

Okay, thanks very much for the answers. I look forward to the first phase whenever it gets done. I also volunteer to help if there is any way I can - docs, testing, review etc. I understand though how adding more people may not be a help at all depending on your needs, just let me know. Thanks, Rod. Rod Gaither [rgaither--triad--rr--com] Oak Ridge, NC USA

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