Rebol/View coming to OS X?

[1/10] from: jhagman:infa:abo:fi at: 8-Oct-2003 13:36

Hello, It would be nice if REBOL Technologies would comment whether Rebol/View (or other product with GUI-capabilities) will be released for Mac OS X or not. According to the download page it is the only 'pending' platform and the status has not been changed in ages. February 2003 REBOL Technologies gave a press release[1] on this subject. According to it the whole product portfolio will be ported to OS X, but not much has been heard about it since. I would really appreciate some kind of clarification on the situation on or off the list. I know that patience is a virtue, but knowing whether Rebol/View will be released on this platform, even as a beta, during the next 6 months would make life somewhat easier. If it is, it's worth the wait, if not it's probably best for me to seek other alternatives. Yours, Jussi [1] http://www.rebol.com/news3203.html -- Jussi Hagman CS in �bo Akademi University Studentbyn 4 D 33 [juhagman--abo--fi] 20540 �bo [jhagman--infa--abo--fi] Finland

[2/10] from: maximo:meteorstudios at: 8-Oct-2003 10:37

Might I add... I am waiting to buy an ibook... But because view isn't yet working on it... I can't. everything I do is in rebol. I've completely left all other programming languages... I wonder if apple's cocoa is going to be a tough competition on OS X. My question is if the pro version will also be available for it. -MAx --- You can either be part of the problem or part of the solution, but in the end, being part of the problem is much more fun.

[3/10] from: pat:scotto:wanadoo at: 8-Oct-2003 17:15

I have the same problem , wait rebol team for a view on MAC OSX or change my favorite language (REBOL) and return to Java :-((((( Maxim Olivier-Adlhoch a �crit:

[4/10] from: rgaither:triad:rr at: 8-Oct-2003 12:17

Hi Max, Jussi, I too am anxious to have View on OS X. I feel left out of much of what is going on in the REBOL world without it. Has anyone done any work on using Core with Cocoa like the PyObjC or RubyCocoa projects? I have contented myself at this stage with Core and left my View and SDK related projects on the back burner.

> I am waiting to buy an ibook... But because view isn't yet working on > it... I can't.

I've been using an iBook for over a year now, great little laptop. A bit underpowered for some work but a real testament to the statement "it just works".

> everything I do is in rebol. I've completely left all other > programming languages... > > I wonder if apple's cocoa is going to be a tough competition on OS X.

The developer tools on OS X are excellent and Cocoa is a very impressive framework. Still, if you left all other programming languages for REBOL then I suspect there will not be anything in Objective-C/Cocoa that will cause you to leave it. While well done and very powerful it is still C with OOP extensions and some frameworks.

> My question is if the pro version will also be available for it.

I would think so, the rather dated February press release talked about RT bringing the whole product suite to OS X. I think what we need is for RT to get hooked on some nice Apple hardware - either a new dual G5 :-) or a PowerBook. Then they can't help but move OS X deliverables along on the schedule. If I wasn't saving my pennies for my own G5 purchase fund I would offer to contribute to an Apple fund for RT. :-) Rod.

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[5/10] from: warp::reboot::ch at: 8-Oct-2003 23:49

Oh yea, I'm waiting too for os x /view /sdk /command Please RT update us on development status! Will Arp [warp--reboot--ch]

[6/10] from: jhagman:infa:abo:fi at: 9-Oct-2003 2:59

Quoting Maxim Olivier-Adlhoch ([maximo--meteorstudios--com]):

> I am waiting to buy an ibook... But because view isn't yet working on > it... I can't.

Technically you could. :) Just install a Linux or OpenBSD on the iBook and run Rebol/View for Linux/PPC. Obviously it is not the optimal solution for some (most?) of us.

> I wonder if apple's cocoa is going to be a tough competition on OS X.

Different tool fits different purposes. Cocoa is most often used with Objective-C, although Java, Python and some others can be used. That means compiling and linking. Some things just are more suited for scripting languages. Especially when not equipped with a G5 and XCode, which speeds up compiling and linking and provides some change-code-while-program-is-running capability. For some things Cocoa is great, for other things other are better. -- Jussi Hagman CS in �bo Akademi University Studentbyn 4 D 33 [juhagman--abo--fi] 20540 �bo [jhagman--infa--abo--fi] Finland

[7/10] from: jhagman:infa:abo:fi at: 9-Oct-2003 3:17

Quoting Rod Gaither ([rgaither--triad--rr--com]):

> I feel left out of much of what is going on in the REBOL world without > it.

I share your feelings. I have not even had the interst in following too much the list as lots of the discussion here revolves around /View and I do not have a good way of running it, testing new /view code and so on. Perhaps it could be possible on University's Linux over the net, but I do not prefer it.

> Has anyone done any work on using Core with Cocoa > like the PyObjC or RubyCocoa projects?

An intresting thought. No, I really have not even thought of it. Is it nowadays possible to call external libraries from Core? I do not really know how the Cocoa-bridges are done, but I doubt it would be easy to do with Core. An interesting idea indeed...

> I've been using an iBook for over a year now, great little > laptop. A bit underpowered for some work but a real > testament to the statement "it just works".

Now when Panther has been announced I'll buy me a laptop. I am itching for a 12" or 15" pBook, but monetary reasons will probably force me into choosing an iBook.

> I think what we need is for RT to get hooked on some nice > Apple hardware - either a new dual G5 :-) or a PowerBook.

Haha, so if anyone at Apple is reading this, Steve himself perhaps, just provide RT with some nice machines. -- Jussi Hagman CS in �bo Akademi University Studentbyn 4 D 33 [juhagman--abo--fi] 20540 �bo [jhagman--infa--abo--fi] Finland

[8/10] from: moliad:aei:ca at: 8-Oct-2003 23:10

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jussi Hagman" <[jhagman--infa--abo--fi]> To: <[rebol-list--rebol--com]> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:17 PM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Rebol/View coming to OS X?

> > I've been using an iBook for over a year now, great little > > laptop. A bit underpowered for some work but a real > > testament to the statement "it just works". > > Now when Panther has been announced I'll buy me a laptop. I am itching > for a 12" or 15" pBook, but monetary reasons will probably force me into > choosing an iBook.

I -want- a powerbook, but if final cut pro and rebol work fine enough, an ibook is all I need... I already have 3 computers for processing, so fast is not imperative... I'd use it for production client approvals and rebol programming around the house... I mean, I often could put a little more time on my coding if I could bring my computer around with me... watching tv and programming is doable... when my wife chooses the program... ;-) Ain't I lucky she's not on this list 8^D Anyhow, I still wish rebol on apple was sooner rather than later... -MAx

[9/10] from: jhagman:infa:abo:fi at: 9-Oct-2003 8:02

Quoting Maxim Olivier-Adlhoch ([moliad--aei--ca]):

> I -want- a powerbook, but if final cut pro and rebol work fine enough, > an ibook is all I need...

If I have n ot mistaken FCP needs a G4 that means that you need currently can't use it on an iBook. Also doing video editing a bigger screen or dualscreen is not a bad thing so probably iBook is a bit too small for you in those respects. -- Jussi Hagman CS in �bo Akademi University Studentbyn 4 D 33 [juhagman--abo--fi] 20540 �bo [jhagman--infa--abo--fi] Finland

[10/10] from: rgaither:triad:rr at: 9-Oct-2003 7:53

Hi Jussi,

>> Has anyone done any work on using Core with Cocoa >> like the PyObjC or RubyCocoa projects? > > An intresting thought. No, I really have not even thought of it. Is it > nowadays possible to call external libraries from Core? I do not really > know how the Cocoa-bridges are done, but I doubt it would be easy to do > with Core.

I agree it is likely to be difficult and think it isn't really a good option. I threw it out to see if anyone had looked into it as a stop gap measure. The other scripting languages don't have a View option in the first place so such extensions are a more natural fit.

>> I think what we need is for RT to get hooked on some nice >> Apple hardware - either a new dual G5 :-) or a PowerBook. > > Haha, so if anyone at Apple is reading this, Steve himself perhaps, > just > provide RT with some nice machines.

:-) Rod. Rod Gaither [rgaither--triad--rr--com] Oak Ridge, NC USA

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