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more than one pane was: The big idea of Rebol

 [1/9] from: rotenca:telvia:it at: 3-Jun-2002 19:02


Hi Boleslav
>from my point of view (as I am still fiddling with VID)... >everything is in more than one pane
:-) I have the impression that this crashes the new beta version of View: am i wrong? --- Ciao Romano

 [2/9] from: rebolek:seznam:cz at: 4-Jun-2002 9:16


>>from my point of view (as I am still fiddling with VID)... everything >>is in more than one pane > >:-) > >I have the impression that this crashes the new beta version of View:
am i wrong?
AFAIK it does not crash. I am just moving mouse over my window and the log in the console just gets bigger and bigger... and I still don't know in which panes is the face... We have to wait till RT introduces 'clone or something like that for cloning complete object!. bye, bb

 [3/9] from: cyphre::seznam::cz at: 4-Jun-2002 11:21


Hi Bolek, I absolutely second your idea ;-) regards, Cyphre ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boleslav Brezovsky" <[rebolek--seznam--cz]> To: <[rebol-list--rebol--com]> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: [REBOL] Re: more than one pane was: The big idea of Rebol
>>from my point of view (as I am still fiddling with VID)... everything >>is in more than one pane > >:-) > >I have the impression that this crashes the new beta version of View:
am i wrong?
AFAIK it does not crash. I am just moving mouse over my window and the log in the console just gets bigger and bigger... and I still don't know in which panes is the face... We have to wait till RT introduces 'clone or something like that for cloning complete object!. bye, bb

 [4/9] from: anton:lexicon at: 4-Jun-2002 21:53


You are talking about deep copy, no? What if the object contains a reference to the system object, for example? Or, as is common, 'parent-face ? What are you going to do, copy the system object into your new object? Anyway, if you need that kind of functionality, (and I don't think you really do), then I think Ladislav's evaluation.r does it. I haven't tried it out though. I am curious, Boleslav, if you are still confused about anything. How about posting a little example you are trying and we can discuss it. Anton.

 [5/9] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 4-Jun-2002 15:11


Cyphre wrote:
>Hi Bolek, > >I absolutely second your idea ;-) >
to add to already rebelious czech opinion - it's dead call in the wind folks - rt will not change it .... let's face it. Either it is technologically not so easily achievable, or they don't listen enough to what troubles developers most ... :-) -pekr-

 [6/9] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 4-Jun-2002 15:15


Anton wrote:
>You are talking about deep copy, no? >What if the object contains a reference to the >system object, for example? Or, as is common, >'parent-face ? >What are you going to do, copy the system object into >your new object? >
Surely not, that's what copy/deep would be good for - to have an option ...
>Anyway, if you need that kind of functionality, (and I don't >think you really do), then I think Ladislav's evaluation.r >does it. I haven't tried it out though. > >I am curious, Boleslav, if you are still confused about anything. >
I can't agree here. Now tell me Anton, if you had never any kind of problem playing with VID, while ending up with confused UI, shared edges, feels, or other sub-objects? Just curious ... as if not, we are probably all dumb here in CZ then ;-) -pekr-

 [7/9] from: anton:lexicon at: 5-Jun-2002 3:30


Petr, Yes, totally! I had plenty of confused times with VID. But I don't think a "brute force" copy/deep function helps at all. The problem is one of understanding. We need nice tools for seeing the situation, not just blindly copying everything. You see what I mean? When we want to copy things, we want to be selective, otherwise we become very inefficient. I think a deep/copy would be useful for VID only if it has really good options for selective copying. It must be able to ignore certain objects like system/view/vid etc. Such a useful function is very hard to write and would require lots of tweaking and maintenance as View and VID evolve. (I think so anyway, maybe not). Anton.

 [8/9] from: g:santilli:tiscalinet:it at: 4-Jun-2002 22:41


Hi Petr, On Tuesday, June 04, 2002, 3:15:26 PM, you wrote: PK> I can't agree here. Now tell me Anton, if you had never any kind of PK> problem playing with VID, while ending up with confused UI, shared PK> edges, feels, or other sub-objects? Just curious ... as if not, we are PK> probably all dumb here in CZ then ;-) You're all great rebols in CZ Petr, and problems with sub-objects surely happen --- but when they do, you simply clone the sub-objects. It may be a bit problematic in some cases, but I don't think it's such a great problem. :) A generic CLONE is not feasible. A special one, you can do it by yourself. So, what's the matter? Regards, Gabriele. -- Gabriele Santilli <[g--santilli--tiscalinet--it]> -- REBOL Programmer Amigan -- AGI L'Aquila -- REB: http://web.tiscali.it/rebol/index.r

 [9/9] from: rotenca::telvia::it at: 5-Jun-2002 0:56

Re: more than one pane


Hi, Boleslav
>AFAIK it does not crash. I am just moving mouse over my window and the >log in the console just gets bigger and bigger... >and I still don't know in which panes is the face...
I have uploaded to the Rebol library dump-face, which should show the more than in one pane faces and extend the RT dump-face.
>We have to wait till RT introduces 'clone or something like that for >cloning complete object!.
If you use make-face, it has a clone refinement for copying some elements of a face object! It is not the final solution but can be useful. I think the problem is only in the lack of good debugging functions. --- Ciao Romano bye, bb