Dialect for Flash files

Hi, Cyphre and REBOLers, I agree with you ;-) In fact, my reflexions come from the reading of an article in a french programming paper witch speaks about a new implementation of an old programming language - SMALLTALK. Its name is SQUEAK (www.squeak.org) and it contains, in basic version, a Flash reader, lots of sounds readers (like WAV, MIDI and MP3), a 2D and 3D engine, a very powerfull GUI engine, an OCR tool, streaming for sounds, many Internet protocols functions (like REBOL), etc ... This new implementation is in development (the next version is 3.0), is **free** and for many systems (more than REBOL can do). My reflexions bring me to think that if REBOL wants to emerge, and win, all these kinds of tools must be implemented and for no cost (it is probably a dream). These are simply some reflexions ... --- Etienne

That's true.

I agree.

On my system (Linux Mandrake 7 + Pentium II/300 + 192 Mb mem + 30 Gb hard disk), the Squeak basic environment takes about 5 seconds to start, and REBOL/View takes 2 seconds. Anyway, there is no problem, because I don't use Squeak.

I agree again.

I use REBOL/View because it is ok for me.

I agree again and again. Anymay, I'm dreaming of a complete programming environment for REBOL, compatible with lightweight network programming. It could be so cool ;-) I'm dreaming... I'm dreaming... --- Etienne

hum. what needs a programming environment what a lightweight network environment does not need? lots of people accessing the same source for lots of reasons..

What do you want to write? i have rebol-desktop, inbuild editor, and a language which does lots with few code. gui-builder is called vid with no mouse-dragging but 3 run-trials and done, trial 3 seconds. wizzards like m$-build-everything? simple syntax and some meta-programming and no mfc.. there is index-maker which creates desktop-indices for the rebol-desktop for a whole directory-tree. after that desktop competes with most source-browsers IMHO. a external file-browser (Carl, you mentioned you have parts of an own browser?), if Carl would allow us linuxers a 'browse-file like with windows, we could start it from desktop too.. without hacking netscape-script. oops, i didn't write that. clean-script-gui cleans scripts as well as every formatter, and if i need global searching there are some tempates flying around here. well, searching the templates.. whats more is a CPE? ok, three quarters the time are experiments and looking in source, but i see Carls how-to's doing better than CPE-bibles. seems he starts to _speak_ rebol :) rest is about capabilities: 3D, flash, speed and so on. the question: is simple plugging in is a good way? you know, spaceships: the fast guys starting the hard year-flight with current stuff, visited half the way by the later guys on a holliday-tour.. which never understand all the stuff the fast guys where talking about, cause of other jobs. if rebol can be made ready for them, its better than having flash or that and not being able to use.. but dreaming- oh yes dreaming :-) does not mean i would not like squeak too. where is it? -Volker

I AM WORKING ON IT !! oops, oh, hey, Carl *dog with sausage sees boss..*

http://www.squeak.org/ -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Programming languages: compact, powerful, simple ... Pick any two! joel'dot'neely'at'fedex'dot'com

Ah, direction switch or what? Where's original masterplan standing nowadays? Was it so long ago you said multimedia is your second name? :-) /Scala /Scala /Scala (Come on guys, we all want more cool media stuff :-)

No, you are wrong Carl - wrong and responsible. You have to bear in mind, that once you introduced Rebol to us - we don't want to program in anything else anymore :-) <vision> ... and one day, I will replace my handheld's WinCE explorer.exe with rebol.exe -si swis.r :-) </vision> Cheers, -pekr-

that once

anymore :-) Yes that's true...I'm also one of many REBOL victims :-)

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you are reading my thoughts :-) question for RT: Will you make a port of /View for WinCE? I cannot find it in download section. :-p /View for PDAs is only one reason to save money an buy such a device :) I know, VID is not the best solution for that purpose but it's just default graphical dialect so... Don't be afraid of porting /view on machines with small resolution displays! ;-) Regards Cyphre

Petr, i think "lightweight network applications" describes TV very well? going more and more lightweight. as rebol, but the opposite way ;-)

We can't, Petr, we can't! at least not with enough fun. which meant we can't in a way.. ;-) -Volker

I have this character flaw. I learn a language best when someone is paying me to do something with it. Get Rebol on WinCE and I'd be learning fast! Of course, we've gone down this road before... Ken.