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License Question

 [1/7] from: melis::uni-muenster::de at: 10-Mar-2002 14:40


I want to build a freely available Linux Distribution. Can i use Rebol/View for the programming? Cheers Udo

 [2/7] from: jason:cunliffe:verizon at: 10-Mar-2002 12:14


> I want to build a freely available Linux Distribution. Can i use > Rebol/View for the programming?
Rebol/Core and Rebol/View are free for non-commercial use: Yes Free, but I am not sure about what redistribution mechanism. *BUT, you need to purchase REBOL/Command if you want Rebol access to any system shell scripts or executables! In my eye this cripples rebol totally for free distros. Useless for sysadmin. By all means include /Core /View and use it. They are cool, more people need to learn about them. I recommend Python instead. No problems with licenses, distros. RedHat uses Python for their manual installations scripts. It's a great language too, with very rich contributed libraries and strong smart community. In any event, I suggest you write directly to Rebol Technologies and ask them, since they may be considering some new licensing/distro ideas. ./Jason

 [3/7] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 10-Mar-2002 11:16


Hi Jason, << *BUT, you need to purchase REBOL/Command if you want Rebol access to any system shell scripts or executables! >> View/Pro allows that as well, correct? So $99 (or $49 if that pricing is still available) is a little less than the /Command price of $349. That doesn't handle distribution though, as your users have to have that version as well. --Gregg

 [4/7] from: jason:cunliffe:verizon at: 10-Mar-2002 14:39


> << *BUT, you need to purchase REBOL/Command if you want Rebol access to
any
> system shell scripts or executables! >> > > View/Pro allows that as well, correct? So $99 (or $49 if that pricing is > still available) is a little less than the /Command price of $349. That > doesn't handle distribution though, as your users have to have that
version
> as well.
Gregg hmm... wow yes Thanks for pointing this out :-) This could really change the picture On rebol.com it says: 1. "View/Pro extends View with encryption (RSA, DH, DSA, AES, Rijndael, and Blowfish), shell access (for executing other programs and shell commands), and dynamic library access (direct from REBOL)." 2. "REBOL/View/Pro => Price: US$49.00 for non-commercial use." 3. "Freely redistributable. Use it on as many machines as you like. Post it to your web site, send it as email, distribute it on CD-ROM, or give it to friends on floppy disk." Do you undertand that to mean: "one-time View/Pro purchase per user per Operating System, who is then free to re-distribute [as in free Linux ] FOR NON-COMMERCIAL USE"? I do :-) $50 per Operating System seems great value, if it helps RT and broadly propagates REBOL. QA: Do you know any problems running View/Pro on a remote Linux server when Xll is not running? {/etc/inittab has id:3:initdefault:} QB: Will /View image features run when Xll is not? Use: people upload files to Apache/Rugby server /View creates thumbnails, conversions etc.. I've just been exploring ImageMagick. Now with /Pro shell+library access I can use that too :-) Obviously I won't enjoy most View features, but encryption, shells, libraries and server-side image processing would be very useful. ./Jason

 [5/7] from: jason:cunliffe:verizon at: 10-Mar-2002 15:11


> View/Pro allows that as well, correct? So $99 (or $49 if that pricing is > still available) is a little less than the /Command price of $349. That > doesn't handle distribution though, as your users have to have that
version
> as well.
Well I just went back to rebol.com to see about buying a copy of View/Pro for linux today.. Damn that site is so annoying [argh *@#$!] http://rebol.com/prod-view.html on the right it clearly says: REBOL/View/Pro Price: US$49.00 for non-commercial use. next line is a link "Buy it Now" ok => click ... http://cobalt.reboltech.com/cgi-bin/cart/order.cgi View/Pro 1.2, commercial license US$99.00 ??? Where is "non-commercial" View/Pro purchase download? I guess no more {sigh} Why does'nt RT post a simple, clear table [on one page] with links for versions, prices, links to licenses and download/purchase? I just don't get it guys.. this is really beginning to remind me of how Commodore killed Amiga through marketing blindness+incompetence :-(( $99 /View is still better than $350 for /Command but totally confusing.. now. QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS .. - What is being offered? - What does the license cover for use and re-distribution? - How is that affected by upgrades? [suppose buy View/Pro for demo+dev but 3 months later upgrade to /Command] - What is price/licenses for a full set? Suppose you want the 'special boxed developer set' which bundles all OS versions of View/Pro or /Command. Is there any price/license incentive option for this? Should there be? ./Jason

 [6/7] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 10-Mar-2002 13:55


Hi Jason, Hopefully someone from RT will jump in with some definitive information. I remember being unclear on a couple licensing issues myself and only they can say what it all really means. I believe you're correct, though you might need the commercial version ($99) for distribution. In looking at my commercial /Core license it seems that you can distribute it along with your app, but you also have to send your source code to RT. Not a huge deal since you'd need encap to hide it anyway, but I thought someone once said that the /Core commercial license *didn't* require that. The license in my View/Pro zip file seems to be the non-commercial one, though I do have a commercial license for it, I know. I think I'm just adding to the confusion here. RT? Help! Could you post a quick, top-line breakdown of the various license options for us poor baffled souls on the REBOL site? --Gregg

 [7/7] from: carl:cybercraft at: 11-Mar-2002 12:30


On 11-Mar-02, Jason Cunliffe wrote:
>> View/Pro allows that as well, correct? So $99 (or $49 if that >> pricing is still available) is a little less than the /Command
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> ??? Where is "non-commercial" View/Pro purchase download? > I guess no more {sigh}
Just checked - it's not there. (; RT have suggested often on this list to contact them regarding queries about licencing and such.
> Why does'nt RT post a simple, clear table [on one page] with links > for versions, prices, links to licenses and download/purchase?
Why indeed. In the age of the Internet, one compares products - one doesn't ask.
> I just don't get it guys.. this is really beginning to remind me of > how Commodore killed Amiga through marketing blindness+incompetence
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> - What is being offered? > - What does the license cover for use and re-distribution?
I'd gathered that you needed one View/Pro licence (whether commercial or non-commercial) per CPU its running on. Re-distribution would I assume require an Encaped version.
> - How is that affected by upgrades? > [suppose buy View/Pro for demo+dev but 3 months later upgrade to
<<quoted lines omitted: 3>>
> View/Pro or /Command. Is there any price/license incentive option > for this? Should there be?
-- Carl Read

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