License Question
[1/7] from: melis::uni-muenster::de at: 10-Mar-2002 14:40
I want to build a freely available Linux Distribution. Can i use
Rebol/View for the programming?
Cheers
Udo
[2/7] from: jason:cunliffe:verizon at: 10-Mar-2002 12:14
> I want to build a freely available Linux Distribution. Can i use
> Rebol/View for the programming?
Rebol/Core and Rebol/View are free for non-commercial use: Yes
Free, but I am not sure about what redistribution mechanism.
*BUT, you need to purchase REBOL/Command if you want Rebol access to any
system shell scripts or executables!
In my eye this cripples rebol totally for free distros.
Useless for sysadmin.
By all means include /Core /View and use it. They are cool, more people need
to learn about them.
I recommend Python instead. No problems with licenses, distros. RedHat uses
Python for their manual installations scripts. It's a great language too,
with very rich contributed libraries and strong smart community.
In any event, I suggest you write directly to Rebol Technologies and ask
them, since they may be considering some new licensing/distro ideas.
./Jason
[3/7] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 10-Mar-2002 11:16
Hi Jason,
<< *BUT, you need to purchase REBOL/Command if you want Rebol access to any
system shell scripts or executables! >>
View/Pro allows that as well, correct? So $99 (or $49 if that pricing is
still available) is a little less than the /Command price of $349. That
doesn't handle distribution though, as your users have to have that version
as well.
--Gregg
[4/7] from: jason:cunliffe:verizon at: 10-Mar-2002 14:39
> << *BUT, you need to purchase REBOL/Command if you want Rebol access to
any
> system shell scripts or executables! >>
>
> View/Pro allows that as well, correct? So $99 (or $49 if that pricing is
> still available) is a little less than the /Command price of $349. That
> doesn't handle distribution though, as your users have to have that
version
> as well.
Gregg
hmm... wow yes Thanks for pointing this out :-)
This could really change the picture
On rebol.com it says:
1. "View/Pro extends View with encryption (RSA, DH, DSA, AES, Rijndael, and
Blowfish), shell access (for executing other programs and shell commands),
and dynamic library access (direct from REBOL)."
2. "REBOL/View/Pro => Price: US$49.00 for non-commercial use."
3. "Freely redistributable. Use it on as many machines as you like. Post it
to your web site, send it as email, distribute it on CD-ROM, or give it to
friends on floppy disk."
Do you undertand that to mean: "one-time View/Pro purchase per user per
Operating System, who is then free to re-distribute [as in free Linux ] FOR
NON-COMMERCIAL USE"?
I do :-)
$50 per Operating System seems great value, if it helps RT and broadly
propagates REBOL.
QA: Do you know any problems running View/Pro on a remote Linux server when
Xll is not running?
{/etc/inittab has id:3:initdefault:}
QB: Will /View image features run when Xll is not?
Use: people upload files to Apache/Rugby server /View creates thumbnails,
conversions etc.. I've just been exploring ImageMagick. Now with /Pro
shell+library access I can use that too :-)
Obviously I won't enjoy most View features, but encryption, shells,
libraries and server-side image processing would be very useful.
./Jason
[5/7] from: jason:cunliffe:verizon at: 10-Mar-2002 15:11
> View/Pro allows that as well, correct? So $99 (or $49 if that pricing is
> still available) is a little less than the /Command price of $349. That
> doesn't handle distribution though, as your users have to have that
version
> as well.
Well I just went back to rebol.com to see about buying a copy of View/Pro
for linux today..
Damn that site is so annoying [argh *@#$!]
http://rebol.com/prod-view.html on the right it clearly says:
REBOL/View/Pro
Price: US$49.00 for non-commercial use.
next line is a link "Buy it Now"
ok => click ...
http://cobalt.reboltech.com/cgi-bin/cart/order.cgi
View/Pro 1.2, commercial license US$99.00
??? Where is "non-commercial" View/Pro purchase download?
I guess no more {sigh}
Why does'nt RT post a simple, clear table [on one page] with links for
versions, prices, links to licenses and download/purchase?
I just don't get it guys.. this is really beginning to remind me of how
Commodore killed Amiga through marketing blindness+incompetence :-((
$99 /View is still better than $350 for /Command but totally confusing..
now.
QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS ..
- What is being offered?
- What does the license cover for use and re-distribution?
- How is that affected by upgrades?
[suppose buy View/Pro for demo+dev but 3 months later upgrade to /Command]
- What is price/licenses for a full set?
Suppose you want the 'special boxed developer set' which bundles all OS
versions of View/Pro or /Command.
Is there any price/license incentive option for this?
Should there be?
./Jason
[6/7] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 10-Mar-2002 13:55
Hi Jason,
Hopefully someone from RT will jump in with some definitive information. I
remember being unclear on a couple licensing issues myself and only they can
say what it all really means.
I believe you're correct, though you might need the commercial version ($99)
for distribution. In looking at my commercial /Core license it seems that
you can distribute it along with your app, but you also have to send your
source code to RT. Not a huge deal since you'd need encap to hide it anyway,
but I thought someone once said that the /Core commercial license *didn't*
require that.
The license in my View/Pro zip file seems to be the non-commercial one,
though I do have a commercial license for it, I know.
I think I'm just adding to the confusion here. RT? Help! Could you post a
quick, top-line breakdown of the various license options for us poor baffled
souls on the REBOL site?
--Gregg
[7/7] from: carl:cybercraft at: 11-Mar-2002 12:30
On 11-Mar-02, Jason Cunliffe wrote:
>> View/Pro allows that as well, correct? So $99 (or $49 if that
>> pricing is still available) is a little less than the /Command
<<quoted lines omitted: 12>>
> ??? Where is "non-commercial" View/Pro purchase download?
> I guess no more {sigh}
Just checked - it's not there. (;
RT have suggested often on this list to contact them regarding queries
about licencing and such.
> Why does'nt RT post a simple, clear table [on one page] with links
> for versions, prices, links to licenses and download/purchase?
Why indeed. In the age of the Internet, one compares products - one
doesn't ask.
> I just don't get it guys.. this is really beginning to remind me of
> how Commodore killed Amiga through marketing blindness+incompetence
<<quoted lines omitted: 4>>
> - What is being offered?
> - What does the license cover for use and re-distribution?
I'd gathered that you needed one View/Pro licence (whether commercial
or non-commercial) per CPU its running on. Re-distribution would I
assume require an Encaped version.
> - How is that affected by upgrades?
> [suppose buy View/Pro for demo+dev but 3 months later upgrade to
<<quoted lines omitted: 3>>
> View/Pro or /Command. Is there any price/license incentive option
> for this? Should there be?
--
Carl Read
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