[integration] [core] A big vote for REBOL/Core (was Re: Questions about the 'send' function)
[1/2] from: luke:marmaladefoo at: 9-Aug-2004 12:05
Dear all Are these kernel functions (call, send/attach etc) that are more advanced in View going to be put back into Core? Or is Core going to be "retired" (that would be such a real shame). If the functions are going back in, when can we expect to see an updated Core executable? As I see it, from an interoperability perspective, there is little point in having the two running on two different versions of the basic kernel functions. From my point of view, REBOL is great back-end/server functionality - so I'm a big fan of REBOL/Core - but the GUI side in View is still a long way from providing sufficiently powerful, easy-to-integrate basic functionality that is expected in usable GUI apps that can be easily adopted by ordinary users (treeview, menus, listview, quality HTML display etc). Good luck to the REBOL/View project, but I'm sticking to Core. Please lets keep them in step! Regards - Luke On 7 Aug 2004, at 19:02, PSA102 wrote: From: "PSA102" <[psa102--toward--com]> To: "[rebolist--rebol--com]" <[rebolist--rebol--com]> Date sent: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 19:02:32 -0400 Priority: Normal Subject: [REBOL] Re: Questions about the 'send' function Send reply to: [rebolist--rebol--com]
> Maxim, > > My goodness. What is v 1.2.10? I have REBOL/Core 184.108.40.206.1. OK, I'll bet I've just learned that
> shoudl be using is Rebol/View becuase it has a later version of the Rebol "kernal" functions than > Rebol/CORE.
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[2/2] from: petr::krenzelok::trz::cz at: 9-Aug-2004 13:40
Luke Orlando Emmet napsal(a):
>Dear all > >Are these kernel functions (call, send/attach etc) that are >more advanced in View going to be put back into Core? Or >is Core going to be "retired" (that would be such a real >shame). If the functions are going back in, when can we >expect to see an updated Core executable? >
I think we will see that happen. IMO RT has strong intention in keeping them compatible. That is the basic problem we discussed here several times already. While I would like to see one kernel + libraries (components) aproach, others like all-in-one aproach, avoiding possible dll hell problem. RT seems to preffer latter, maybe even becase of marketing reasons, not technological ones. As you might know, looking at http://www.rebol.net or even http://www.rebol.net/devel04.html, there are currently new projects ongoing. RT released beta version of new Core, containing fully asyncrhonous networking (done by cool guy Holger Kruse, who we miss here desperately as well as we miss Jeff Kreis :-), new GC (garbage collector) etc. Those are big changes, need some testing and will result in Core 2.6 release, if I unerstand those things correctly. So, if you know of some incompatibilities, you can log onto Rebol AltME world, where developers meet and discuss your wishes with developers. It is faster than here on ml and the channel is attended by Carl, so it might get his attention sooner than here on ml ....
>As I see it, from an interoperability perspective, there is >little point in having the two running on two different
<<quoted lines omitted: 6>>>adopted by ordinary users (treeview, menus, listview, >quality HTML display etc).
Yes, maybe currently not, but maybe you also seen projects like SurfNet Detective - very attractive UI indeed. And Cyphre's styles pack contains all of them - tree-view, list-view (VERY powerfull grid), menu, context-menu, tab-panel, auto-resize etc. It is just a matter of time, when View get's mature for full-blown GUI apps. But even View is in a bit strange position. We were not fast enough to finish View 1.3 on-time (last december), but I have to tell something here - I have strong trust in ppl here. All ppl did fantastic work and some of them are already rebol heros, at least for me :-) View 1.3 beta, which is downloadable, is worth using instead of old 2.1. What is Carl waiting for probably is AGG integration (and Cyphre does some magic here :-), which will replace draw dialect and maybe then we will decide to go with vector based styles, we will see .... I expect View 1.4 being a different beast. Cheers, -pekr-
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