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Cringely article; food for thought

 [1/6] from: joel:neely:fedex at: 4-Aug-2001 7:29


I make no claims for the accuracy of the following, but it is certainly interesting speculation. http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010802.html Read at your own risk, YMMV, and other miscellaneous disclaimers. -jn-

 [2/6] from: dvydra:orion-it at: 4-Aug-2001 11:24


thanks, good article. -dv At 07:29 AM 8/4/2001 -0500, you wrote:

 [3/6] from: rryost:home at: 4-Aug-2001 11:49


But see comment 4 of 15 on this subject at ANN www.ann.lu Cringely may have fallen into a trap! Russell [rryost--home--com]

 [4/6] from: brett:codeconscious at: 5-Aug-2001 19:01


Entertaining. :) Thanks, Brett.

 [5/6] from: joel:neely:fedex at: 5-Aug-2001 3:01


Hi, Russell, Not trying to start a flame war here... just an observation. Russell Yost wrote:
> But see comment 4 of 15 on this subject at ANN > www.ann.lu > Cringely may have fallen into a trap! >
Well... Cringley is certainly willing to indulge in purple prose to make his point (and keep his audience entertained!), but more thoughtful reviews I've heard add another issue to the mix. Re "comment 2", "Nobody criticises, the Amiga OSs, Linux, Solaris, QNX, etc. for providing raw sockets." ... probably (in the opionion of some) because of the much lower portion of the market they hold, and because of the nature of their markets. The stereotypical undisciplined adolescent script kiddy is more likely to have unsupervised access to one or more uSoft boxen than any of the above. I don't think anybody credibly argues that raw sockets are new to XP, only that it appears to make it much easier to get to them. Conspiracy theories aside, it's fairly well known that there are many ways to crack the typical uSoft box (especially if it is not professionally administered with latest SRs). The number of such boxen connected to the 'Net via cable and DSL, combined with easier access to raw sockets, would certainly provide a wealth of opportunity for untraceable DDOS on a mind-boggling scale, IMHO. High-powered nail guns are readily available in stores that cater to professional carpenters. But they aren't sold over the counter at the local Toyz-is-we! -jn- -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Programming languages: compact, powerful, simple ... Pick any two! joel'dot'neely'at'fedex'dot'com

 [6/6] from: ryanc::iesco-dms::com at: 7-Aug-2001 18:02


Good article Joel. A coworker and I suspected that this is what M$ is up to a few months ago. This article further substantiates our suspicions. Their Hailstorm plans pretty much spelled it out. --Ryan Joel Neely wrote:
> I make no claims for the accuracy of the following, but it is > certainly interesting speculation.
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-- Ryan Cole Programmer Analyst www.iesco-dms.com 707-468-5400

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