[ALLY] /View is cool, but...
[1/6] from: ryan:christiansen:intellisol at: 17-Apr-2001 16:23
I don't have anything against /View and I can't wait to find time to play with it more, but... Why is it important that RT promote /View as an interface solution? Instead, couldn't RT promote REBOL as a back-end scripting solution, using web browsers as the interface solution? For example, REBOL could be used even as a localhost web server, utilizing whatever web browser is handy as the interface solution, accepting GET and POST, etc., and returning output to a web browser, using the browser's built-in support for images, sounds, animation, etc. I'm asking this question because I'd really like to know how developers benefit from this focus on /View instead of REBOL-browser integration. Ryan C. Christiansen Web Developer Intellisol International 4733 Amber Valley Parkway Fargo, ND 58104 701-235-3390 ext. 6671 FAX: 701-235-9940 http://www.intellisol.com Global Leader in People Performance Software _____________________________________ Confidentiality Notice This message may contain privileged and confidential information. If you think, for any reason, that this message may have been addressed to you in error, you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it, and we would ask you to notify us immediately by return email to [ryan--christiansen--intellisol--com]
[2/6] from: gjones05:mail:orion at: 17-Apr-2001 17:07
> I don't have anything against /View and I can't wait to find time to play > with it more, but...
<<quoted lines omitted: 8>>> benefit from this focus on /View instead of REBOL-browser integration. > Ryan C. Christiansen
Hi, Ryan, I understand what you are "getting at." In some ways I have wondered the same thing. But I think that the real point is that RT is targeting a problem space that goes *beyond* the proto-typical browser interface. I suspect that if they had infinite resources (excuse the hyperbole), they would be simultaneously developing a browser plug-in, a multi-threading Apache module, etc, as a way to demonstrate the proficiencies of the language. But they are "forced" to focus on the most critical portion of the target; hence, the fruits of their labors suggest the actual target. Interestingly, despite being a very widely used language, the Tcl/Tk plug-in has essentially died on the vine, and the Apache Mod_Tcl is still rarely offered by the broad market Internet Presence Providers (ie. website hosters). This trend (or lack of trend) basically has told me that the problem space is "adequately" filled, even though the readily available solutions are not really ideal. The only somewhat wide use of this language as a backend solution is in the AOL server. It is *the* scripting language for this server. Obviously, AOL manages to serve many a page, but few even realize that it is Tcl that has provided the scripting solution. In my opinion, REBOL is far superior to Tcl in many facets, but I just can't see REBOL as *making it* in the big world just because it has been adequately placed in the backend server or browser plugin market. Few people think about COBOL, but it still is largely the real big business solution. Amazing. I'm not disagreeing with the idea; I wish it did fill the role that you invision. I wish it were widely available in this capacity. I just suspect given the market conditions and the fact that resources are bounded, it is not likely to happen. I'm curious to see whether CURL will even make a dent in the big scheme. I think for the real solution to information processing and dissemination, RT and REBOL is on the right track. But, it will be a hard, uphill battle, no doubt. Of course, a killer app would make all the difference in terms of exposure; I am convinced that Python would still be a relatively unknown scripting language except for Zope making a splash. Thank you for expressing your opinion, as these expressions cause us all to think, which is what is *really* important. --Scott Jones
[3/6] from: carl:rebol at: 17-Apr-2001 15:06
A good solution to distributed computing requires that you be on both ends and also in between. -Carl At 4/17/01 04:23 PM -0500, you wrote:
[4/6] from: agem:crosswinds at: 18-Apr-2001 0:19
>I don't have anything against /View and I can't wait to find time to
>with it more, but... > >Why is it important that RT promote /View as an interface solution? > >Instead, couldn't RT promote REBOL as a back-end scripting solution,
>web browsers as the interface solution? For example, REBOL could be
>even as a localhost web server, utilizing whatever web browser is
>the interface solution, accepting GET and POST, etc., and returning
>to a web browser, using the browser's built-in support for images,
>animation, etc. > >I'm asking this question because I'd really like to know how
>benefit from this focus on /View instead of REBOL-browser integration. > >Ryan C. Christiansen >Web Developer >
some thoughts fast written. you have to connect your web-page to the scripts somehow. this relation is much closer with /view than with html/cgi works offline too. but smart enough to use the web if connected. (i think this is a big point for express) very small, script with action size of text with tags :) very responsive. user can edit it (may be a point after a while) a lot can be explaind better with animation/interaction. rebol has the size/load-time of pure text, the animation of flash/whatever and the intelligence of java. animated interactive math-course with online-hiscore? can be done now :) (well, who mention bignums?) Volker
[5/6] from: kolla:nvg at: 18-Apr-2001 6:25
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Carl Sassenrath wrote:
> A good solution to distributed computing requires that you be on both > ends and also in between.
I'm just curious about what happens to security in such a world. I've sometimes been baffled of the glories ways dialecting lets you shoot yourself in the foot ie that spaces are so vital... a: 2 b: 3 c: a + b c -> 5 c: a+b normally gives error, but if you, or something further up has somehow managed to put a+b: 6 a: 2 b: 3 c: a+b c -> 6 Now, I know people who would spin in their graves by this, if it wasnt for the fact that they're all still walking around :) -- kolla
[6/6] from: dmurrill:mindspring at: 18-Apr-2001 13:17
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