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Does the inclusion of AGG in View spell the end of hopes for a Mac OS X implementation of View ?

 [1/13] from: pwawood:mango:my at: 20-Dec-2004 14:25


It seems that the AntiGrainGraphics (AGG) library which RT is using to add Draw effects to Rebol/View has two standard implementations - Windows API & X11. Does this signify an end to the hopes for a Mac OS X version of View or just the end of hopes for a Mac OS X Aqua version of View? Peter

 [2/13] from: cyphre:seznam:cz at: 6-Mar-2005 12:30


Hi Peter, I can't speek for RT about macOS X here. But I can just tell you that AGG is fully crossplatform and you can compile it for MacOS X. The only problem is with font rendering(as usually). AGG doesn't conatin its own font rendering engine but it is able to work with vectorial glyph data and perform nice things like with all other vector shapes. The author wrote two 'examples' how to get the vectorial glyphs: using Win32 api and using FreeType engine. So if RT want to have text rendering functionality with AGG support they need to get the vectorial glyphs somehow on all supported systems. You could also read in one of the Carl's blogs that he is investigating how to get this running on Linux. I'm not familiar with MAC OS X api so I don't know if it is possible to get vectorial text glyphs from the system but I believe this can be solved too. Anyway, afaik if RT don't find any crossplatform solution for the text handling under AGG Carl is planning to release View with AGG without the text features (ie. DRAW will be using the old text routines as in the current versions and text cannot be transformed, textured, outlined etc.). Those missing text features will be added later when RT find a solution. regards, Cyphre ----- Original Message ----- From: "PeterWAWood" <[pwawood--mango--net--my]> To: <[rebolist--rebol--com]> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 7:25 AM Subject: [REBOL] Does the inclusion of AGG in View spell the end of hopes for a Mac OS X implementation of View ?

 [3/13] from: pwawood:mango:my at: 6-Mar-2005 20:55


Hi Cyphre Thanks for your re-assurance that adopting AGG doesn't technically rule out View for Mac OS X. From a quick look at developer.apple.com it seems that glyphs can be accessed directly via the Carbon framework (through which I understand RT are implementing View for Mac OS X). I believe that the glyphs are "vectorial". Regards Peter On Sunday, Mar 6, 2005, at 19:30 Asia/Kuala_Lumpur, Cyphre wrote:

 [4/13] from: volker:nitsch:g:mail at: 6-Mar-2005 14:22


There exists some free tt-fonts (vera?). I guess you could get the glyphs and put them in rebol. On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:30:09 +0100, Cyphre <[cyphre--seznam--cz]> wrote:
> Hi Peter, > I can't speek for RT about macOS X here. But I can just tell you that AGG is
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-- -Volker Any problem in computer science can be solved with another layer of indirection. But that usually will create another problem. David Wheeler

 [5/13] from: cyphre:seznam:cz at: 6-Mar-2005 15:37


Hi Volker, I don't think this is a solution because then you can use only that one embedded font. From what I know Carl is currently trying to find a solution for X11 based systems. Would be good if someone could write what is the situtation on openbsd, freebsd, netbsd, solaris, hpux, etc. Maybe RT could make a View with support of FreeType if it is really widely used on most X11 systems as a 'standard font engine'. Anyone? regards, Cyphre ----- Original Message ----- From: "Volker Nitsch" <[volker--nitsch--gmail--com]> To: <[rebolist--rebol--com]> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 2:22 PM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Does the inclusion of AGG in View spell the end of hopes for a Mac OS X implementation of View ?

 [6/13] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 27-Mar-2005 3:07


Cyphre wrote:
>Hi Volker, >I don't think this is a solution because then you can use only that one
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>make a View with support of FreeType if it is really widely used on most X11 >systems as a 'standard font engine'. Anyone?
what about embedding BitStream fonts? :-) One of most capable font systems IIRC and not all that big? -pekr-

 [7/13] from: volker:nitsch:gm:ail at: 6-Mar-2005 17:08


On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:37:45 +0100, Cyphre <[cyphre--seznam--cz]> wrote:
> Hi Volker, > > I don't think this is a solution because then you can use only that one > embedded font.
You have to do that anyway, if you really want the same look everywhere. With a few more fonts. Maybe a mix, only embedded fonts are fully featured? And there could be more freefonts prepared for download. From what I know Carl is currently trying to find a solution
> for X11 based systems. Would be good if someone could write what is the > situtation on openbsd, freebsd, netbsd, solaris, hpux, etc. Maybe RT could > make a View with support of FreeType if it is really widely used on most X11 > systems as a 'standard font engine'.
I guess all the newer open source ones use the same X. And on the others, i guess one could at least install freetype for rebol-use. hassle on solaris/ hpux etc maybe, but there we could write portable with the embedded fonts for effects.
> Anyone? > regards,
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-- -Volker Any problem in computer science can be solved with another layer of indirection. But that usually will create another problem. David Wheeler

 [8/13] from: luc:spirlet:skynet:be at: 23-Mar-2005 17:46


On my computer, I discover your strange message from the future. It is dated 27/03/2005. I write to you from 23/03/2005. I write thus from the past for you. Confused time is perhaps the origin of troubles with the list. That could be a way for investigation. Luc Petr Krenzelok wrote:

 [9/13] from: mauro:fontana:speedautomazione:it at: 23-Mar-2005 17:50


On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:46:38 +0100, Spirlet Luc <[luc--spirlet--skynet--be]> wrote:
> On my computer, I discover your strange message from the future. > It is dated 27/03/2005. > I write to you from 23/03/2005. I write thus from the past for you. > Confused time is perhaps the origin of troubles with the list. That > could be a way for investigation. > Luc
You still are at 23/03/05??? Come one, enter that time warping machine! A new world is waiting for you! :D

 [10/13] from: luc:spirlet:skynet:be at: 23-Mar-2005 19:22


You are enjoying. Look here in the source of message. And the 27/03/2005 is a sunday, also 6/03. Note that the message comes the 23/03/2005 and it is been sent the 6/03 Check with the option "find word date" and you'll see. The extraearth are there. Caution. They have the complete mastering of the time. Luc ___________________________
> From - Sun Mar 6 17:17:45 2005
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 [11/13] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 23-Mar-2005 21:07


Spirlet Luc wrote:
>You are enjoying. Look here in the source of message. >And the 27/03/2005 is a sunday, also 6/03. >Note that the message comes the 23/03/2005 and it is been sent the >6/03 Check with the option "find word date" and you'll see. >The extraearth are there. Caution. They have the complete >mastering of the time. >
Stop trying to find a miracle :-) I was simply playing with dates to test mysterious red-icons IOS problem, and 27.3.2005 is the date when DST (Daylight Saving Time) kicks-on. -pekr-

 [12/13] from: tom:conlin:g:mail at: 23-Mar-2005 12:15


On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:07:48 +0100, Petr Krenzelok <[petr--krenzelok--trz--cz]> wrote:
> Spirlet Luc wrote: > >You are enjoying. Look here in the source of message.
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> test mysterious red-icons IOS problem, and 27.3.2005 is the date when > DST (Daylight Saving Time) kicks-on.
ah but, Easter was made for miracles :~|
> -pekr- > > -- > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject. >
-- ... nice weather eh

 [13/13] from: carl:cybercraft at: 24-Mar-2005 17:37


On Wednesday, 23-March-2005 at 17:46:38 Spirlet Luc wrote,
>On my computer, I discover your strange message from the future. >It is dated 27/03/2005. >I write to you from 23/03/2005.
Ask them if View 1.3's out yet! -- Carl Read.

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