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Oh, Maarten, unfortunately the US has a holdiay on Monday ("Memorial Day"), so you will have to wait until Tuesday! :) --Scott Jones

Thanks.

It does not require any C libraries. It is implemented as a mysql:// scheme, used in the same way as other database schemes, and talks to the database server through a TCP port. As for inspiration, Sterling should answer that. He wrote the MySQL scheme.

Probably not. A product definition thing... Database support is one of the features that sets /Command apart from /Pro.

You are describing our Runtime product :-). More info on that soon.

Check on Tuesday. Monday is a holiday in the US (Memorial Day). -- Holger Kruse [holger--rebol--com]

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Is there any native support inside rebol binary (similar as encyption scheme), or just is it plain script implementation (similar to DocKimbel's one in principle)?

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.. correct ... just take care to keep licencing policy simple any clear, please. There are several of Rebol products already out, containing various features, I just wonder, how do you want to keep them all consistently updated. The sooner we will have component system, the better, as then questions as above one from Marteen) will become history - I will just buy mySQL component and will be able to use it from Core to View :-) The question also is - that once component system is available, there will be no View, no Command, just kernel - Core, with components around ... btw: are there any discounts, when buying Command for let's say Win32 and Linux platforms? btw2: :-) re font engine - does Win version of Command contain the same limitation - no VID, no text? If so - why should Win Command users suffer from some Unix architecture "nonsense"? ;-) -pekr-

The implementation is native.

Please contact us directly.

At the moment this applies to all Command versions. -- Holger Kruse [holger--rebol--com]

DocKimbel's

Great. I would like to ask RT to add also PostGress SQL native database support for Linux version to have it "complete". PostGress, as of 7.1 version is regarded being "free Oracle" or so I heard. It is free, yet powerfull and properly supports transactions. If you will hear to Apache + PHP ppl, many of them talk just two SQL databases - mySQL and PostGressSQL. Anyone here to second my observations?

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I will discuss it with my ppl ... btw: what's the state of Netware implementation? Had you any requests for Netware Rebol implementation? I think there is still huge installed base of Novell Netware fileservers ... just curious, nothing more ...

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Hmm, something else came to my mind. We all saw how usefull VID is e.g. to create diagrams. Now, without VID being incorporated into Command, we have only image datatype, face support, but there is no easy way of how to create those diagrams ... I think that sooner or later RT should think about at least incorporating some font types into Command and allow us to use also VID ..... -pekr-

Sure, sounds about right..MySQL, PostGres, Oracle, and ODBC seem to be about it really with the first two mentioned/used the most by everyone I know (myself including for a MySQL user). Deryk -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Listar -- -- Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature -- File: smime.p7s -- Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

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PostGressSQL.

... From what I've read (not first hand knowledge): MySQL for cheap, fast database support for non-mission critical websites where transactions are less important. PostGresSQL for cheap, transaction-supported database support. Oracle if you are intending to run large-scale, mission-critical database and have lots of money! Philip Greenspun (MIT & ARSDigita) discusses database use in the real world uses at length in his several on-line books and articles (I can find a few links if you are interested). His take is that Oracle's more sophisticated transaction management is worth the money for operations that involve large database sizes and/or 24 hour service. One such feature, if I recall correctly, is demonstrated when the database is getting backed-up or archiving records. Oracle allows continuous operation while marking new transactions in a separate base while the backup/archiving sweep is running. Then the new transactions are rolled in only after the other operation is complete. What this gives is true integrity if the operation is interrupted. He believes that more is spent in manually fixing a fouled up database than on an Oracle license. He also believes that Oracle requires a fulltime, well-trained Oracle database administrator. It all adds up to money in my book. Similar to what Joel says about computer languages: You can get "cheap and fast and no piece of mind" or "cheap and slow and some piece of mind" or "expensive and slow and piece of mind" but you can't get more than one. I think if REBOL is to grow rapidly, it will need to support more than Oracle and MySql "natively". Unfortunately, it will never garner the free manpower support that PHP gets for building native API's. Of course, to counter balance this perspective, are those that believe that all database access should be through standard API's, like ODBC/ADO, etc, despite the slower speed. --Scott Jones

It is on our list.

Not an issue at the moment. There seems to be no demand. -- Holger Kruse [holger--rebol--com]