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LIBRARY: First public release ready for viewing

 [1/18] from: greggirwin::mindspring::com at: 1-Mar-2003 14:17


Announcing the first public release of the new REBOL Library! Yes, it's raw. Yes, it's crude. Yes, it will be improved, but it's available! You can get to it from www.rebol.org or you can go directly to it at: http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/index.r Check it out and send us feedback either here or on the AltME Rebol world in the Library group. Enjoy! --The Library People

 [2/18] from: philb:upnaway at: 2-Mar-2003 10:44


Hi Gregg, Congratulations .... I think it works nicely. I have some updates to 2 scripts that are in the library, can you let us know when / how we can submit updtes. I would also want to rename my messenger script to avoid confusion with the Microsloth product. Cheers Phil === Original Message === Announcing the first public release of the new REBOL Library! Yes, it's raw. Yes, it's crude. Yes, it will be improved, but it's available! You can get to it from www.rebol.org or you can go directly to it at: http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/index.r Check it out and send us feedback either here or on the AltME Rebol world in the Library group. Enjoy! --The Library People

 [3/18] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 1-Mar-2003 20:21


Hi Phil, puc> Congratulations .... I think it works nicely. Great! puc> I have some updates to 2 scripts that are in the library, can you puc> let us know when / how we can submit updtes. puc> I would also want to rename my messenger script to avoid confusion puc> with the Microsloth product. If you send it directly to me, I'll get it in there. Thanks! -- Gregg

 [4/18] from: chalz:earthlink at: 1-Mar-2003 23:39


I found a bug ;) http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=slide.r IE5.5 The script ends up at the bottom of the page, as opposed to to the right of the menu. Hmm.. ditto in: http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=view-list.r Now that I've looked... is this just a matter of people leaving lines in the scripts which are too long? --Charles

 [5/18] from: sunandadh:aol at: 2-Mar-2003 3:15


Hi Charles,
> http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=slide.r > IE5.5 > The script ends up at the bottom of the page, as opposed to to the
right
> of > the menu. > Hmm.. ditto in: > http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=view-list.r > Now that I've looked... is this just a matter of people leaving lines
in
> the > scripts which are too long?
This is a problem with Internet Explorer and the way it renders the HTML PRE tag. Other, more standards compliant browsers, (such as Opera and Mozilla) simply add a horizontal scroll bar. IE instead panics and shuffles the DIVs around instead. We spotted several scripts like this (mainly at the last minute) and "fixed" them by shortening some of the longer lines. That will work in *most* cases. But of course it messes with what might have been the author's carefully-chosen indentation. I've fixed slider.r and view-list.r -- do they look okay for you now? Thanks for the bug report, Sunanda.

 [6/18] from: g:santilli:tiscalinet:it at: 2-Mar-2003 11:10


Hi Gregg, On Saturday, March 1, 2003, 10:17:38 PM, you wrote: GI> Announcing the first public release of the new REBOL Library! Very good work! I like it very much. Regards, Gabriele. -- Gabriele Santilli <[g--santilli--tiscalinet--it]> -- REBOL Programmer Amigan -- AGI L'Aquila -- REB: http://web.tiscali.it/rebol/index.r

 [7/18] from: al:bri:xtra at: 2-Mar-2003 23:26


Sunanda wrote:
> This is a problem with Internet Explorer and the way it renders the HTML
PRE tag. Other, more standards compliant browsers, (such as Opera and Mozilla) simply add a horizontal scroll bar.
> IE instead panics and shuffles the DIVs around instead. > > We spotted several scripts like this (mainly at the last minute) and
fixed them by shortening some of the longer lines. That will work in *most* cases. But of course it messes with what might have been the author's carefully-chosen indentation.
> I've fixed slider.r and view-list.r -- do they look okay for you now?
There's a similar issue with: http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=dir-map-expl orer.r Andrew Martin ICQ: 26227169 http://valley.150m.com/

 [8/18] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 2-Mar-2003 13:54


Gregg Irwin wrote:
>Announcing the first public release of the new REBOL Library! >Yes, it's raw. Yes, it's crude. Yes, it will be improved, but
<<quoted lines omitted: 6>>
>Enjoy! > --The Library People
wow, looks great. Fantastic job, guys! One feature request - I always liked and like to look at screenshots :-) Do you think it would be possible for script object to feature 'screenshot item? In most cases it would remain empty probably, but it could be set to a) file-image b) function, which would generate screenshot on server :-) Anyway - I am not sure it is a good idea, just a food for thought .... -pekr-

 [9/18] from: joel:neely:fedex at: 2-Mar-2003 7:56


Hi, Sunanda, Thus far I've checked the site in the following browsers: platform browser results -------- ------------ ------------------------------ w2k Netscape 4.8 source unreadable w2k Mozilla 1.2 source readable but poor font w2k IE 6.0.. source readable but ugly font ;-) OS/X 10.2.3 OmniWeb 4.1.1 looks good! OS/X/10.2.3 Safari 1.0.51 looks good! OS/X/10.2.3 IE 5.2 looks nice (sizes a little odd) My Linux boxes were stolen in the burglary, so I haven't been able to test on that platform, and I'm not at work today so I haven't been able to test Unix browsers yet. There's more than an IE problem; the script views are completely unusable in e.g. Netscape 4.8 (which some of us still have to use per company standards, etc.) The source of the script itself is rendered in an ENORMOUS chunky font, positioned somewhere off of the left side of the page, so that all I can see of it (with my window at normal size, monitor set for 1280x1024 pixels) is 8<-------------------------------------------------------------- ther slider" g-2001/13:59:11+2:00 1.0 e.r des" [size: 320x240 edge: none pane: []] e win dds vertical slicer to any face" [s--bigfoot--com] 'advanced n: none function [GUI VID] 8<-------------------------------------------------------------- After looking at the style sheet, it appears that the style for pre tags calls for fonts in the following order: fixedsys, "courier new", sans-serif May I sincerely request that this be changed, for the following reasons (in order of priority): - fixedsys and courier are monospaced fonts (common for code listings), which means I'd expect the generic to be monospace instead of sans-serif. This means that, even if I set my browser to use my font preferences instead of the ones in the individual page, I can't see the listings in a monospace font on some browsers (at least not without making other stuff monospaced). - Some of us who work in a multi-platform world like to set up our various browsers so that the generics are mapped similarly across different systems/platforms. Putting a Windows-specific font at the front of the list defeats that desire completely. - There are other common monospace fonts widely used in publication for code listings (e.g. Lucida Console) that would work well here. - I personally would vote for generics only, as the individual visitor can see things in the fonts (s)he prefers across sites. [SunandaDH--aol--com] wrote:

 [10/18] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 2-Mar-2003 11:05


Hi Petr, I'll add it to our list. Thanks! --Gregg

 [11/18] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 2-Mar-2003 11:08


Thanks Joel, for all the testing and the valuable comments! --Gregg

 [12/18] from: gerardcote:sympatico:ca at: 2-Mar-2003 13:12


Hi Gregg and other Library Team members, What a nice work you did. Congratulations for the sustained effort. Your beta version is a lot good even now. And to help you to keep up the good work to the quality level you already attained, I'll try to test the most of the implemented facilities and give you some feedback about my own feeling when using it : 1. I found the light blue color of almost all the pages other then the first one (Home) looking better than the first one itself (light Grey). Maybe it's just a matter of taste but at least it should be kept uniform on all pages. 2. When speaking of uniformity, if you try Viewing the first one-liner code, it displays on the right side of the screen while almost every script I looked at was displayed below instead, leaving empty the right side of the screen. In any case - if easible- the right side of the screen could be filled up with some code or if too large to fit there, an indication could be left in this free zone to invite the reader to look below. 3. As you already mentioned in your presentation, there is no way for now to submit any new script but there is no more way to leave you any comment - or at least I didn't find any when I quickly looked for. 4. And go for a small suggestion - for a future add-on maybe - it could be useful (to beginners) to consider the addition of a third, fourth and/or fifth links (respectively labeled "design", docs" and "history") going aside each entry listed when a search is displaying its results. For example : when asking for the keyword "parse" in the search box, I got many results, each one accompanied by a view and a download hyperlinks. so my suggestion is to add 3 other links as labeled above. In fact they could (should) be offered by the creator of every new submission (or any volunteers wanting to offer its help in doing so) to help newcomers (and others alike) to overcome the evident gap that goes along with every script whatever the language is used to solve the problem at hand. so the creator or the volunteer could briefly explain his designs concerns (description of the problem to solve and assumptions taken into account, data structures used and operations to implement over them - followed by some minimal user guide or use samples - and keep every old useful versions with restrictions that applied then). Maybe I am dreaming but I am sure it could help a lot of ppl. to learn quicker and better from these Library scripts. However I also know the time and discipline required to do this and I can only offer my help if this is accepted somewhere in the process - but I don't despair if most of what has already been done until now will probably never be documented at all other than what is available now... And finally - I know I am repeating myself but it deserves it entirely - very nice work from you the Library guys. Keep up and may be you will be able to recruit more ppl to help you maintaining the library now than when it started ... Sorry for being off-list again. Sickness and other body work studies (massage therapy) will keep me aside from REBOL programming for at least another couple of months! Hope to rejoin ranks soon after I finished my studies ... Best Regards, Gerard P.S. Where can I find information about finding and linking myself to the REBOL World on the AltMe server. Never found it and I don't know who to join to connect to it - getting a user name and password. Can someone help in this way ? Seems I missed a lot of exchanges in the last months on the IOS server.

 [13/18] from: sunandadh:aol at: 2-Mar-2003 17:54


Gerard: Thanks for all the comments about the library. We're working our way through them one-by-one.
> 2. When speaking of uniformity, if you try Viewing the first one-liner
code,
> it displays on the right side of the screen while > almost every script I looked at was displayed below instead, leaving empty > the right side of the screen
This is the most popular bug so far! You, Joel, Brett, Andrew, Charles, Anton and possibly some others I've missed have all reported it. I think it's fixed now for the main (i.e. Blue-menu) page. You may still see the problem on the Welcome (i.e. Grey/brown-menu) page for another day or so. You may need to refresh your browser cache (probably shift-F5) to pick up on the new CSS file. Thanks for all the comments guys., Sunanda.

 [14/18] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 2-Mar-2003 16:30


Hi Gerard, GC> 1. I found the light blue color of almost all the pages other then GC> the first one (Home) looking better than the first one itself GC> (light Grey). Maybe it's just a matter of taste but at least it GC> should be kept uniform on all pages. Good point. The first page is actually what we hope will become the main rebol.org page, and we wanted to distinguish it from the actual library pages by using a different color. (Ah, I just saw a message from Sunanda that he has made us the main page now. Thanks Sunanda!) GC> 2. When speaking of uniformity, if you try Viewing the first one-liner code, it displays on the right side of the screen while GC> almost every script I looked at was displayed below instead, leaving empty the right side of the screen. In any case - if easible- GC> the right side of the screen could be filled up with some code or if too large to fit there, an indication could be left in this GC> free zone to invite the reader to look below. Yup. Known issue. GC> 3. As you already mentioned in your presentation, there is no way GC> for now to submit any new script but there is no more way to leave GC> you any comment - or at least I didn't find any when I quickly GC> looked for. Here or AltME are the places to give us feedback right now. GC> 4. And go for a small suggestion - for a future add-on maybe... GC> links (respectively labeled "design", docs" and "history") Yes. I'm not sure how they will be applied, but we do want to allow things like user comments, more details from authors, "See Also" links, etc. GC> However I also know the time and discipline required to do this GC> and I can only offer my help if this is accepted somewhere in the GC> process - I have your name, and some others, in a list of resources we may call on to help out in the future. I haven't forgotten you. :) GC> Keep up and may be you will be able to recruit more ppl to help GC> you maintaining the library now than when it started ... What we really hope, is that we'll be able to build tools, and a system that allows the community to push things forward, with the librarians being responsible for a few, specialized, tasks. Thanks for your comments! -- Gregg

 [15/18] from: gerardcote:sympatico:ca at: 3-Mar-2003 9:35


Hi Gregg,
> GC> 4. And go for a small suggestion - for a future add-on maybe... > GC> links (respectively labeled "design", docs" and "history") > > Yes. I'm not sure how they will be applied, but we do want to allow > things like user comments, more details from authors, "See Also" > links, etc. >
I have tried a recent look at the Laurent Chevalier's shlik.org web site for his REBOL2HTML app. I have found that his way of doing could be used as a basis for what has to be taken into account in any user doc accompanying any submittted script - if we want anybody to be able to get the most of it... At least all he uses for his own doc. is already well described and useful to me so I thought it could be used for comparison with other future submits in this regard. See http://www.shlik.org/rebol2html/samples.html for more details. Maybe every author could send an unedited ("en vrac") version of his own original ideas about a script he completed writing, and an editorial committee could put this in form to be usable to some extent, after somehow validating the new edited doc with the author in the process... Have a nice day, Gerard

 [16/18] from: carl:s:rebol at: 3-Mar-2003 21:55


Gregg, Sunanda, and Volker: A fantastic job on getting the new REBOL library online and operational. The REBOL community has been crying out for a more dynamic and useful library of scripts for many years. I know my name is on the list of "Library People", but I just wanted to give credit where credit is due. You guys did everything! I did nothing. Please take a bow. (And, please move my name at the bottom of the credits, not the top. Put your names there.) So, now it's up to the rest of the REBOL world... programmers, designers, teachers, and students to take it from here and make this the ultimate source for REBOL code and examples. Over the years, 1000's of REBOL scripts have been created... So, if you have one that you think others can use, please post it to the new library. Thanks again for the work of the Library team. -Carl Sassenrath At 02:17 PM 3/1/03 -0700, you wrote:

 [17/18] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 4-Mar-2003 8:10


Carl Sassenrath wrote:
> Gregg, Sunanda, and Volker: > A fantastic job on getting the new REBOL library online and operational.
<<quoted lines omitted: 6>>
> credits, > not the top. Put your names there.)
Carl - you created Rebol! It is not just language - it is a framework, which let's us more naturally achieve our goals ... I think your credits are OK and everyone will respect your name inthere ... cheers, -pekr-

 [18/18] from: sunandadh:aol at: 4-Mar-2003 2:19


Carl:
> A fantastic job on getting the new REBOL library online and operational. > The REBOL community has been crying out for a more dynamic and > useful library of scripts for many years.
Thanks! And let's not overlook the contributions of Ingo Hohmann, Andrew Martin, and Anton Rolls. They were invaluable in the early design and later prototyping. Many of their ideas have still to surface in later phases. Thanks a lot guys Sunanda.

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