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Script Editor.. I need a script editor; Notepad se

 [1/18] from: roberth:utdallas at: 26-Oct-2001 9:26


Script Editor.. I need a script editor; Notepad seems to garble the scripts; thnx, bobh

 [2/18] from: chris:starforge:demon at: 26-Oct-2001 15:35


[roberth--utdallas--edu] wrote:
> Script Editor.. I need a script editor; Notepad seems to garble the scripts; thnx, bobh
Try doing a search for "pfe", or maile me and I'll send a copy... Or you could install the Windows version of Emacs :) Chris -- .------{ http://www.starforge.co.uk }-----. .--------------------------. =[ Explorer2260, Designer and Coder \=\ P: TexMaker, ROACH, site \ =[___You_will_obey_your_corporate_masters___]==[ Stack: EETmTmTRRSS------ ]

 [3/18] from: rgaither:triad:rr at: 26-Oct-2001 11:00


HI, The only thing I can see where notepad would mess up a script is if you have word wrap on. Turn this off and it should work fine. For a better, low cost option that understands REBOL syntax you may want to consider textpad. http://www.textpad.com/ FYI, Rod.
>Script Editor.. I need a script editor; Notepad seems to garble the scripts; thnx, bobh >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to >[rebol-request--rebol--com] with "unsubscribe" in the >subject, without the quotes. >
Rod Gaither Oak Ridge, NC - USA [rgaither--triad--rr--com]

 [4/18] from: joel:neely:fedex at: 26-Oct-2001 10:12


Hi, Robert, My suggestion is http://www.vim.org/ VIM is a platform-neutral editor (ideal for a platform-neutral language, IMHO ;-) -jn- [roberth--utdallas--edu] wrote:

 [5/18] from: roberth:utdallas at: 26-Oct-2001 10:09


Zeus seems to work ok; thnx for the help... bobh

 [6/18] from: media:quazart at: 26-Oct-2001 11:45


hi, editor... UltraEdit32 is quite cool... (only windows though) easy to customize syntax and coloring, for any language... http://www.ultraedit.com/ -Maxim

 [7/18] from: geza67:freestart:hu at: 27-Oct-2001 0:50


Hello Joel,
> Hi, Robert, > My suggestion is > http://www.vim.org/ > VIM is a platform-neutral editor (ideal for a platform-neutral > language, IMHO ;-)
Definitely! I used ConText which is (of course :-) ) free, but a bit sluggish (Pentium MMX 233, 96 MEG RAM) and not overly customizable to my taste. Zeus is although (almost) free, it is very Windows-ish in its functionality and behavior. Ultraedit is commercial, TextPad is (AFAIK) too. gVIM is far from the puritanity of vi: it has real GUI, you can bind standard Windows keys if you like (Ctrl-X, -V etc.), supports wheel mouse, has incredible customizability and automation support (its numeric parametrizable movement/modification commands are charm). Syntax coloring works, too. You can make 'folds' i.e. outline view with several methods :manual, indentation-dependant, markers or cleverly assembled own regex. EMACS is BIG ! gVIM 6.0 exe is just above 1 meg, EMACS is over 4 megs, not to say about the whole installation (9 megs versus 70 megs ! , although both can be further slimmed). Just to mention: Vim won this year's Linux Journal Readers' Awards (hands down) in the editor category (in the development environment category EMACS was the champion). -- Best regards, Geza Lakner MD mailto:[geza67--freestart--hu]

 [8/18] from: dness:home at: 26-Oct-2001 21:10


[roberth--utdallas--edu] wrote:
> Script Editor.. I need a script editor; Notepad seems to garble the scripts; thnx, bobh > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to > [rebol-request--rebol--com] with "unsubscribe" in the > subject, without the quotes.
I like EditPad. The `Lite' version is free, and I happen to prefer it to the Pro version, which is pretty cheap anyway.

 [9/18] from: joel:neely:fedex at: 26-Oct-2001 22:57


Hi, Geza, Nice info, thanks! Geza Lakner MD wrote:
..
> Just to mention: Vim won this year's Linux Journal Readers' Awards > (hands down) in the editor category (in the development environment > category EMACS was the champion). >
The contrast in categories above reminds me of the old joke: EMACS is a nice operating system, but I prefer Unix. ;-) -jn- -- ; sub REBOL {}; sub head ($) {@_[0]} REBOL [] # despam: func [e] [replace replace/all e ":" "." "#" "@"] ; sub despam {my ($e) = @_; $e =~ tr/:#/.@/; return "\n$e"} print head reverse despam "moc:xedef#yleen:leoj" ;

 [10/18] from: james:mustard at: 27-Oct-2001 21:44


Hi,
>Geza Lakner MD wrote: > Just to mention: Vim won this year's Linux Journal Readers' Awards > (hands down) in the editor category (in the development environment > category EMACS was the champion).
If you're looking for a good (free) editor in Windows I highly reccommend MetaPad. Lots of nifty features and very lightweight and quick. One very useful feature is a nice GUI toolbar with the ability to link to different viewers for running code - usually Rebol.exe and IExplore.exe live here to allow for fast switching between script and html modes :) You can get MetaPad here: http://www.liquidninja.com/metapad/download.html

 [11/18] from: hallvard::ystad::helpinhand::com at: 27-Oct-2001 10:58


http://cserve.cis.smu.edu/images/viman.gif But... but... but... ...my editor _is_ clearly superior to yours! http://arcterex.ufies.org/editor.html ..and personally, I prefer TextPad (when I'm on my Windows machine). It's not free, but it costs almost nothing. It's so simple my grandmother could use it, yet very powerful and highly customizable. On my OpenBSD machine, I use emacs. I find it very illogical to press esc + zz to quit an editor. Of course, C-x C-c is far more natural, it comes to your fingers like bumble bees to flowers... uh.. ~H Geza Lakner MD skrev (Saturday 27.10.2001, kl. 00.50):

 [12/18] from: ammonjohnson::yahoo at: 27-Oct-2001 4:23


Where's the syntax highlighting? Thanks!! Ammon

 [13/18] from: geza67:freestart:hu at: 28-Oct-2001 17:15


Hello Hallvard,
> not free, but it costs almost nothing. It's so simple my grandmother could > use it, yet very powerful and highly customizable.
If you were putting your Grandma to a torture to hack some REBOL (or any other) coding in TextPad - alas, go on ! :-)))
> On my OpenBSD machine, I use emacs. I find it very illogical to press esc + > zz to quit an editor. Of course, C-x C-c is far more natural, it comes to
Just my 2(-3..) cents: 1. With zz you won't be out ... zz is moving the cursor line in the middle of the screen, ZZ will exit. 2. Vi keystrokes are optimised for typing-in speed although you can put some ideology behind them, e.g. ZZ is "sleeping" (in the cartoon sense) OR ZZ as being "omega" the very last letter (augmented by its duplication) in the alphabet, thus the end (OK, I admit, it is twisted ;-) ) . EMACS peruses the shift keys (shift/alt/control) in double/triple constantly shifted keystrokes to access the multitude of its functions. It _has_ to do this way, because it is essentially a stateless (simplistically, always insert mode) editor. Vi(m) on the other hand is a stateful editor thus simple keystrokes might suffice. Although I played piano several years - thus I ought to happily push 3-4-5 simultaneous keys with critical precision ;-) , I couldn't grasp EMACS's key combinations with my fingers. 3. Everybody should use that editor/programming language/OS/office suite etc.etc. which suits his needs, feels (almost) natural. Both EMACS and Vi(m) are powerful and great tools, both are admittedly esoteric - having their own philosophy - but both offer tremendous functionality and editing speed in relation to ANY Windows-native (Windows-"level"...) editors to the "engaged".
> Praetera censeo Carthaginem esse delendam
Narrata refero ... in pectore :-) -- Best regards, Geza mailto:[geza67--freestart--hu]

 [14/18] from: tim:johnsons-web at: 28-Oct-2001 7:22


I use vim/gvim and love it. It was a bit of a learning curve for me, but I understand that that latest ver (6.0, I'm using 5.7) has the option of "modeless mode". Pardon the oxymoron. I've hacked a number of "C" "macros" for rebol with great satisfaction, and have added curent Rebol words to rebol.vim (syntax file). On the other hand, I am now learning Xemacs. I would guess that some in the Windows environment might find emacs a little easier to learn. Xemacs/emacs is kind of a "mini-os". It actually supports a lisp interpreter for high levels of customization. Learning lisp for a rebol programmer shouldn't be a "far reach". I believe that Sterling uses it. While I'm at it, I want to mention Boxer (www.boxersoftware.com). For Windows Editors, it is IMHO the best single-developer programmers editor. It is just wonderful, and an immediate fit for one familiar with the MS-Windows environment. It is also extremely configurable. And you can switch keyboard sets "on the fly". The "Windows" version doesn't support macros. The Dos version does. Boxer/dos can be run from dosemu, and I believe that Boxer for windows can be run from Wine. I have set up syntax file for rebol on Boxer, too, but is not thoroughly tested. -- Tim Johnson <[tim--johnsons-web--com]> http://www.johnsons-web.com

 [15/18] from: geza67:freestart:hu at: 28-Oct-2001 19:20


Hello Tim,
> the option of "modeless mode". Pardon the oxymoron. I've hacked
Do you mean easyVIM ? Well, even a 1 meg big EXE eVIM beats in a hiss some native Windows editors although without modes you won't get the créme á la créme of gVIM's wealthy functionality.
> a number of "C" "macros" for rebol with great satisfaction, and > have added curent Rebol words to rebol.vim (syntax file).
Would you post it (or send it to me), please. Have you solved the syntax coloring problem regarding pairs (only the first 00 of a 00x00 gets highlighted) and that keywords may contain almost anything (with the bundled rebol.vim, the highlight halts e.g. at the first "-" character :-( ) ?
> On the other hand, I am now learning Xemacs. I would guess that
Well, I admit, I started my XEmacs studies a few weeks ago and converted last week to gVIM after giving up endless hours of reading the first half of the user manual ;-) I confess, with gVIM I felt _almost_ promptly at home - the major key bindings (e.g. clipboard operations and movement commands) were the accustomed Windows-ish ones ;-) and the deeper / trickier commands much more accessible for me than the XEmacs way.
> to learn. Xemacs/emacs is kind of a "mini-os". It actually supports > a lisp interpreter for high levels of customization.
Well, it is a definite plus and I respect Lisp a lot: undoubtedly it is the most founded programming language of all - at least in the mathematical sense. But ... if you have fully customized your Xemacs to your taste the Lisp adventure ends. How could you use Elisp further? Let's say, you write very good applications with it (Xemacs allows you to put even graphical widgets in the editing window!) - now what - you distribute the 30meg XEmacs install kit to your some 10K Elisp source code ? Nevertheless, I find Lisp mentally challenging but while you hunt the missing braces down ;-) a REBOL five-liner already did the dirty job ...
> Learning lisp for a rebol programmer shouldn't be a "far reach".
REBOL was eager to inherit several aspects of Scheme, a newer Lisp dialect. Whereas Scheme/Lisp is strict (lexical scoping e.g.), REBOL is "lazy" (OK, let's say just: different ;-)) ) - it is not as clean as the lambda calculus itself but is elegant and first of all powerful enough yet.
> While I'm at it, I want to mention Boxer (www.boxersoftware.com). > For Windows Editors, it is IMHO the best single-developer programmers
Seen - Tried - NOT _Bought_ . There are so many free AND/OR free_source_ editors around ... Happy VIMming and REBOLing ! -- Best regards, Geza Lakner MD mailto:[geza67--freestart--hu]

 [16/18] from: tim:johnsons-web at: 28-Oct-2001 8:48


Hi Geza:
> > a number of "C" "macros" for rebol with great satisfaction, and
Dr. Chips: http://users.erols.com/astronaut/
> > have added curent Rebol words to rebol.vim (syntax file). > Would you post it (or send it to me), please. Have you solved the
http://www.johnsons-web.com/rebol.vim (syntax.vim may have to be hacked with regards to the 'rexx switch. I have added some more 'words since, but shouldn't be a problem for you.)
> syntax coloring problem regarding pairs (only the first 00 of a 00x00 > gets highlighted) and that keywords may contain almost anything (with > the bundled rebol.vim, the highlight halts e.g. at the first "-" > character :-( ) ?
Sorry, haven't dealt with that. I use /core only
> > While I'm at it, I want to mention Boxer (www.boxersoftware.com). > > For Windows Editors, it is IMHO the best single-developer programmers > Seen - Tried - NOT _Bought_ . There are so many free AND/OR > free_source_ editors around ...
My way of supporting another businessman
> Happy VIMming and REBOLing !
.. and BTW, my preference for vim has a lot to do with Bram Moolenar's philosophy - somewhat like mine.
> -- > Best regards, > Geza Lakner MD mailto:[geza67--freestart--hu]
Yes. It appears that some healers are also programmers! :>) Regards -- Tim Johnson <[tim--johnsons-web--com]> http://www.johnsons-web.com

 [17/18] from: geza67:freestart:hu at: 28-Oct-2001 20:27


Hello Tim,
>> syntax coloring problem regarding pairs (only the first 00 of a 00x00 > Sorry, haven't dealt with that. I use /core only
Maybe when I get a breath, I look at the syntax file to overcome this problem.
>> Seen - Tried - NOT _Bought_ . There are so many free AND/OR >> free_source_ editors around ... > My way of supporting another businessman
I am a man not in business :-) plus living in an ex-Eastern European country (see the e-mail domain for details :-) ) where living is not (yet) a _L_iving ;-) thus FSF, GNU and other three-letter abbreviations' (free) products help against an another three-letter abbreviation (...BSA) joint a two-letter-abbrev. (...MS...).
>> Happy VIMming and REBOLing ! > .. and BTW, my preference for vim has a lot to do with > Bram Moolenar's philosophy - somewhat like mine.
May I ask what is Bram's philosophy (if it is not so intimate with yours ... :-) ) ? I just mailed to the VIM-list and asked for help in a compilation problem and Bram answered almost _promptly_ with Patch 6-0-028 ... it happened just a few hours ago - I felt deeply touched upon his fast feedback. Oh, God, only if REBOL were having such a rapid turnover time ;-))
> Yes. It appears that some healers are also programmers! :>)
Not just love is a many-splendoured thing :-) -- Best regards, Geza mailto:[geza67--freestart--hu]

 [18/18] from: tim:johnsons-web at: 28-Oct-2001 11:22


Hello Geza:
> May I ask what is Bram's philosophy
In vim type :help uganda<Enter>
>(if it is not so intimate with > yours ... :-) ) ?
What's my idea of a "killer app"? Not a killer, a lifesaver. See http://www.frozen-north-linuxonline.com/pastIssues/issue5vol1.html proceed to The Message is the Medium: Social-Service-Dot-Bombs and Killer Apps (written 1-Sep-2001)
> I just mailed to the VIM-list and asked for help in > a compilation problem and Bram answered almost _promptly_ with Patch > 6-0-028 ... it happened just a few hours ago - I felt deeply touched > upon his fast feedback.
Sounds like Bram all right. One step at a time..... One user at a time.
>Oh, God, only if REBOL were having such a > rapid turnover time ;-))
RT is looking for the Brass Ring, the Gold Strike IMHO. I can't complain all that much though. They have given my a wonderful tool. <wink>But the folks in Uganda could care less</wink>
> > Yes. It appears that some healers are also programmers! :>) > Not just love is a many-splendoured thing :-) > > -- > Best regards, > Geza mailto:[geza67--freestart--hu] >
Regards -- Tim Johnson <[tim--johnsons-web--com]> http://www.johnsons-web.com