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Eric Raymond on scripting languages

 [1/12] from: larry::ecotope::com at: 29-Apr-2001 18:32


Hi all Interesting article by Eric Raymond on scripting languages. http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue73/3882.html -Larry

 [2/12] from: giovanni:cardona at: 29-Apr-2001 22:03


Larry; That doesnt seem like a "scripting languages article" but a "Python" advertisement. Trick me -=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=- "Miracles happen only to those who believe in them"

 [3/12] from: info:johnsons-web at: 29-Apr-2001 20:02


Hello: On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 06:32:52PM -0700, Larry Palmiter wrote:
> Hi all > > Interesting article by Eric Raymond on scripting languages. > > http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue73/3882.html
I found that article interesting.... I've worked in both rebol and python. Can't say which one is better, they both have very helpful mailing lists. I'm personally and professionally grateful to both :>) -- Tim Johnson <[info--johnsons-web--com]> http://www.johnsons-web.com "My shroe, my shroe, my dingkom for a shroe!" --TheManWhoSpeaksInAnagrams (Monty Python)

 [4/12] from: sharriff:aina:med-iq at: 30-Apr-2001 10:14


Same here, but I must admit, for ODBC and GUI programming iŽd rather use Python. Sharriff Aina Tim Johnson <[info--johnson] An: [rebol-list--rebol--com] s-web.com> Kopie: Gesendet von: Thema: [REBOL] Re: Eric Raymond on scripting languages rebol-bounce@ rebol.com 30.04.01 05:02 Bitte antworten an rebol-list Hello: On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 06:32:52PM -0700, Larry Palmiter wrote:
> Hi all > > Interesting article by Eric Raymond on scripting languages. > > http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue73/3882.html
I found that article interesting.... I've worked in both rebol and python. Can't say which one is better, they both have very helpful mailing lists. I'm personally and professionally grateful to both :>) -- Tim Johnson <[info--johnsons-web--com]> http://www.johnsons-web.com "My shroe, my shroe, my dingkom for a shroe!" --TheManWhoSpeaksInAnagrams (Monty Python)

 [5/12] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 30-Apr-2001 12:12


[Sharriff--Aina--med-iq--de] wrote:
> Same here, but I must admit, for ODBC and GUI programming iŽd rather use > Python.
And the reason is? There is not imo better/easier GUI aproach than VID is (and dialecting in general). My friend told me to look into Python, but all I found was some kind of object aproach ... but it is two or so years ago already ... What GUI toolkit is default to Python? Thanks, -pekr-

 [6/12] from: joel:neely:fedex at: 30-Apr-2001 6:58


tk -jn- Petr Krenzelok wrote:

 [7/12] from: nhytro:compuserve at: 30-Apr-2001 8:34


Message text written by INTERNET:[rebol-list--rebol--com] Petr Krenzelok wrote:
> [Sharriff--Aina--med-iq--de] wrote: > > > Same here, but I must admit, for ODBC and GUI programming iŽd rather
use
> > Python. > > And the reason is? ... > What GUI toolkit is default to Python?
Well, the modules used in the basic Python distribution have exactly what I need, REBOL is for me too segregated, i.e VIEW for GUI, or CORE for CGI and COMMAND for MS ACCESS I also have the advantage of System calls, Database, COM and ODBC support. A mixture of REBOL and PYTHON might be to bothersome to manage for a simple Web application. GUI creation is well supported by Python: WxWindows, MFC, GTK+, OpenGL in additon to Tk

 [8/12] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 30-Apr-2001 15:00


Sharriff Aina wrote:
> Message text written by INTERNET:[rebol-list--rebol--com] > Petr Krenzelok wrote:
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> I need, REBOL is for me too segregated, i.e VIEW for GUI, or CORE for CGI > and COMMAND for MS ACCESS
OK, there is reason - View depends on X, not all server side systems have X installed. But - what is the problem, as far as View's core is compatible with Core? /Command 2.0 will feature even some of View parts, although not everything is set in stone yet ... Well, but you are right - dynamic component run-time system is a must ... Rebol takes some 500kb and RT decides on compromises - "is it good enough to add xx kb to executable?" e.g. sometimes I feel I would welcome event system in Core too ... but the feature I am looking for is probably asynchronicity/multithreading ...
> I also have the advantage of System calls, > Database, COM and ODBC support. A mixture of REBOL and PYTHON might be to > bothersome to manage for a simple Web application. > > GUI creation is well supported by Python: WxWindows, MFC, GTK+, OpenGL in
as far as you have library access, you have most of external systems available, no?
> additon to Tk
Tk? bah ... :-) Friendly, -pekr-

 [9/12] from: kolla:nvg:ntnu:no at: 30-Apr-2001 16:16


On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Petr Krenzelok wrote:
> [Sharriff--Aina--med-iq--de] wrote: > > Same here, but I must admit, for ODBC and GUI programming iŽd rather use
<<quoted lines omitted: 3>>
> but it is two or so years ago already ... > What GUI toolkit is default to Python?
GUI? Scr*w that... python runs on palm, rebol does not :) -- kolla

 [10/12] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 30-Apr-2001 19:33


----- Original Message ----- From: "Kolbjűrn Barmen" <[kolla--nvg--ntnu--no]> To: <[rebol-list--rebol--com]> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Antwort: Re: Eric Raymond on scripting languages
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Petr Krenzelok wrote: > > > > > > > [Sharriff--Aina--med-iq--de] wrote: > > > > > Same here, but I must admit, for ODBC and GUI programming iŽd rather
use
> > > Python. > > > > And the reason is? There is not imo better/easier GUI aproach than VID
is (and dialecting in
> > general). My friend told me to look into Python, but all I found was
some kind of object aproach ...
> > but it is two or so years ago already ... > > > > What GUI toolkit is default to Python? > > GUI? Scr*w that... python runs on palm, rebol does not :)
kollaaa! you man - you know I will defend rebol and you expect my opposite reaction, that's for sure :-) well - you also know that if I think something is going wrong, I scream so loud, that even RT folks had to calm me down few times already :-) I too, sometimes wonder, how's that Carl created AmigaOS, and now his next gen system is XXX slower, requires 100x more powerfull hw, etc. ... but remember - Palm capabilities are history in 2 years, while openess and system architecture stays ... :-) I have to admit though, that I can see Rebol image being 20 - 30% better, after "strategy switch". - View 1.0 is out! - Desktop is compact - design is very nice - we have /Pro capabilities for 49 USD thru all platforms available. That's very affordable price! - Holger described some features which are going to be added to /Command and make it even cooler (FastCGI, View parts, ssl, etc.) on the contrary there is still many wishes for me: - to understand one day - what is rebol kernel, and what is not, and how are internally rebol layers related - dynamic component system, to don't bother some SSL module will add 500 kb or more if I need it + per component pricing - View is "just" compositing engine - we all want rebol/scala :-)) - one day there will be no rebol product without /pro capabilities .... we need to somehow bring custom components ... eh, we can do it with multiplatform libraries, but then "what is what" inside of rebol is even more mystery to me :-) .... maybe rebol/core should be just tasking/threading capable network infrastructure with all core capabilities, improved parser, added modules and components APIS ... everything else should be plug-in ... Kolla - it will come one day ... sc*ew Palm :-) Cheers, -pekr-

 [11/12] from: info:johnsons-web at: 30-Apr-2001 13:02


On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 12:12:51PM +0200, Petr Krenzelok wrote:
> [Sharriff--Aina--med-iq--de] wrote: > > Same here, but I must admit, for ODBC and GUI programming iŽd rather use
<<quoted lines omitted: 3>>
> but it is two or so years ago already ... > What GUI toolkit is default to Python?
Rebol is my scripting language of choice. When it comes to making a living programming, the best case scenario for me is when my client doesn't care about the source, they just want results. I set up the first semester of a high-school curiculum on programming using rebol. Rebol was a perfect first choice, based on the requirements. The second semester required tutelage in graphic user interfaces. The target platforms are Windows, Macintosh and Linux. I couldn't use rebol/view because I see no rebol/view available for Macintosh. Python offers the TKInter tc interface which is portable to Macintosh. Thus I used Python. Ah for a perfect world....... Now I am asked to bid on a contract with source required in Cobol and Visual Basic. Compromises, always compromises. Frankly, I don't see a world in which one programming language will do it all. tj

 [12/12] from: gchiu:compkarori at: 1-May-2001 9:11


On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:33:36 +0200 "Petr Krenzelok" <[petr--krenzelok--trz--cz]> wrote:
> sometimes wonder, how's that Carl created AmigaOS, and > now his next gen
I think you Exec. Tripos was the basis of AmigaOS. -- Graham Chiu

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