Rebols United (was) Re: How to get Rebol forward
[1/8] from: tbrownell:L3TECHNOLOGY at: 28-Apr-2003 9:47
If your interested in forming a Rebols United (for lack of a better name).,
then send an e-mail to...
[tbrownell--yahoo--com]
[2/8] from: robert:muench:robertmuench at: 29-Apr-2003 0:36
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> If your interested in forming a Rebols United (for lack of a
> better name)., then send an e-mail to... [tbrownell--yahoo--com]
?? What's your goal? Just to collect mail addresses? Sorry for being
sarcastic but this you are fragmenting... Robert
[3/8] from: tbrownell:L3TECHNOLOGY at: 28-Apr-2003 17:08
The "goal" is to form a group of Rebol developers, and as such, exploring
the possibility of cooperative projects that have potential for
financial return. The e-mail address are for contact purposes. (Hardly an
unnatural business practice.)
I've done quite well in the past with my "fragmented" Rebol applications,
and I feel as a cooperative, could do much better.
Terry
RU In or out?
Visit AltMe world "Rebols" (On and off till another server is set up.)
[4/8] from: tbrownell:L3TECHNOLOGY at: 28-Apr-2003 18:07
Virtual Partnerships: In an effort to bolster their competitiveness, a
growing number of online entities will band together in sales and
information networks. In an example of this strategy, four top online
retailers (CDnow, Cyberian Outpost, eToys, and Reel.com) have formed a
network to cross-promote their products and services.
http://www.insiderreports.com/storypage.asp_Q_ChanID_E_BZ_A_StoryID_E_200001
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Benefits
* Gives access to a wide range of specialized resources
* Can present a unified face to large corporate buyers
* Individual members retain their independence and continue to develop their
niche skills
* They can reshape and change members according to the project or task in
hand
* There is no need to worry ponderously about "divorce settlements" as in
formal joint ventures.
Some of the ingredients for developing a succeeding virtual corporation are:
1. Each partner must have some distinctive added value to bring to the
corporation
2. Members must develop high degree of mutual trust and understanding. Thus,
very often the same people will work together again and again.
3. Projects should be the focus of the corporation. Usually they will be for
clients, but some projects e.g. marketing, can be done by a few members on
behalf of the corporation as a whole.
4. 'Rules of engagement' need to be defined fairly broadly up-front, in
terms of inputs to the corporation and rewards expected, though the momentum
is lost if these are too formalised too soon
5. Members of the corporation should recognise the need for coordination
roles, and either commit time to develop and nurture these or pay one of the
members to undertake them on behalf of the corporation.
6. A clear interface needs to be developed with 'non virtual' customers -
they like tidy relationships and clear contracts. Thus either one member of
the virtual corporation must act on behalf of the others (using them as
subcontractors) or create a joint company to act as their contracts and
administration service.
http://www.skyrme.com/insights/2virtorg.htm
[5/8] from: robert:muench:robertmuench at: 29-Apr-2003 13:27
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> competitiveness, a growing number of online entities will
> band together in sales and information networks.
Hi, yes that's perfect but as you see these are companies having a
business. That's what we miss. Further I see the mailing list as a good
place to develop such ideas and than go into closed groups for
particular projects. Anyway, I might have a different view on this
business side. We will see if you succeed.
For me I'm not in at the moment because I don't see the benefit of your
approach. Robert
[6/8] from: tbrownell::L3TECHNOLOGY::COM at: 29-Apr-2003 11:14
I tend to disagree and don't see the ML as a good place to develop projects.
Rebol is a tool ONLY. It's not an idea, other than Carl's of course, and
regarding the improvement the tool itself. It's the idea that's has value.
The tool has value, $99 USD for pro etc., because it was first Carl's
<I>idea</I>.
Prior to IOS and AltMe, I came up with the basic (but functional) IRSee. It
was more of an experiment, but has "encrypted" groups, shared white board
(encrypted as well) and so on. Now, did IRSee trigger IOS and AltMe? If
not, it could it have. And if it did (of which I would be glad) then was it
because I "opened" it by exposing, not so much the code, as my coding is
intermediate at best, but by exposing the idea itself, and of course,
dumping a bunch of code onto the ML can't hurt either.
Outside of the ML I turned IRSee into a fairly powerful and inexpensive CRM
product (or at least a prototype) with additional features, none of which
you'll find on IOS, but know that if exposed the functions onto the ML, that
they would end up there sooner or later, in one form or another.
So it seems that the Rebol community is part open source, part closed. Now
some would argue that by having "closed groups" harms the RT community as a
whole, and I would say that's somewhat naive.
Rebol - Closed
IOS - Closed
AltMe - Closed
LFReD - Closed
IRSee2 - Closed
(insert your closed project here)
The Rebol community is funny in that we work on things as though we're
collaborating? I have some great functions (IMHO) which I consider too
valuable to expose. They represent time, energy and inspiration, why should
I give it away? And if I, a poor developer, have a few, then how about the
gurus? How much "black matter" is really out there?
This is what "Rebols" would address. Shared projects, shared ideas, shared
development, shared wealth.
Is that such a hard concept?
Terry
[7/8] from: maarten:koopmans:surfnet:nl at: 29-Apr-2003 21:30
Although I don't consider myself a guru I always try to give away my
best code. There is no money in sofwtare, only in business products and
services. That's where the added value is.
If I give my code away, and more people use REBOL, and .... good for all
of us.
That's why I use the BSD license: if you can get rich with it, good for
you. Decency is left up to the users ;-)
--Maarten
Terry Brownell wrote:
[8/8] from: robert:muench:robertmuench at: 1-May-2003 10:07
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> There is no money in software, only in business
> products and services. That's where the added value is.
Well spoken Maarten! It's not that hard to write good software, it's
very hard to get rich with good software.
> That's why I use the BSD license: if you can get rich with
> it, good for you. Decency is left up to the users ;-)
That's the right approach if you are willing to publish your code.
That's how I see it too. And I don't have a problem if I need to inform
the author about the usage if I use it for commercial stuff. To me this
is not a constraint but the request to motivate the people that have
done the code to show them that it's of value in a particular business
setup.
I don't want to start endless discusssions about open-source models: I
never understood why people put a copyright on public released
source-code. Either I release my code or I don't. And if, BSD is the
right way to go. Robert
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