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 [1/27] from: vonja:sbcglobal at: 17-Dec-2008 10:29


Hello Admin, Please set-up an account for the REBOL3 world. Thank you, Von

 [2/27] from: mat:plothatching at: 18-Dec-2008 8:30


2008/12/18 <vonja-sbcglobal.net>
> Please set-up an account for the REBOL3 world.
Mm yes, I could use one too if you wouldn't mind. P.S. Is there some reason for =20 nonsense on the end of lines? -- Regards, Mat Bettinson

 [3/27] from: compkarori:gmai:l at: 17-Dec-2008 22:06


the =20 nonsense has been discussed before. It's a limitation of your email client ( and mine too ...gmail shows them up ). On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Mat Bettinson <mat-plothatching.com> wrote:
> 2008/12/18 <vonja-sbcglobal.net> >>
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> To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.
-- Graham Chiu http://www.synapsedirect.com Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR.

 [4/27] from: jblake:us:ibm at: 17-Dec-2008 16:37


Me three please. From: Mat Bettinson <mat-plothatching.com> To: rebolist-rebol.com Date: 12/17/2008 04:31 PM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Altme 2008/12/18 <vonja-sbcglobal.net>
> Please set-up an account for the REBOL3 world.
Mm yes, I could use one too if you wouldn't mind. P.S. Is there some reason for =20 nonsense on the end of lines? -- Regards, Mat Bettinson

 [5/27] from: tim-johnsons:web at: 17-Dec-2008 13:07


On Wednesday 17 December 2008, Graham Chiu wrote:
> the =20 nonsense has been discussed before. > It's a limitation of your email client ( and mine too ...gmail shows them > up ).
I use kmail on linux. I receive mail from about 20 mailing lists. I do see them far more often on this ML than any other. Is there a possible fix on my end? thanks tim

 [6/27] from: compkarori:gma:il at: 18-Dec-2008 2:06


not easy .. best to ask the guys posting to change their encoding method. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Tim Johnson <tim-johnsons-web.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 December 2008, Graham Chiu wrote: >> the =20 nonsense has been discussed before.
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> To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.
-- Graham Chiu http://www.synapsedirect.com Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR.

 [7/27] from: dhsunanda::gmail at: 17-Dec-2008 22:58


Mat Bettinson wrote:
> Mm yes, I could use one too if you wouldn't mind.
Your request is in the hands of an Altme REBOL3 Admin. Should not be too long.
> P.S. Is there some reason for =20 nonsense on the end of lines?
Some sort of improperly handled interaction between the sender's email client, the email list server and, possibly, your client too. Things get confused about what characters are being escaped and what ones are to be taken literally. We try our best to clean it up on the archive at REBOL.org....But then we may occasionally remove a genuine =20 if it comes at the end of a line. Who said communication was simple!? http://www.rebol.org/ml-display-thread.r?m=rmlCDZC Sunanda

 [8/27] from: vonja:sbcglobal at: 17-Dec-2008 15:39


I also see '=20' all the time and only on this list.

 [9/27] from: compkarori:g:mail at: 18-Dec-2008 6:07


And here's the previous discussion http://www.mail-archive.com/rebolist-rebol.net/msg00589.html So, those who send =20 need to change the settings on their mail clients so that the rest of us are not aesthetically displeased. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Graham Chiu <compkarori-gmail.com> wrote:
> the =20 nonsense has been discussed before. > It's a limitation of your email client ( and mine too ...gmail shows them up ).
<<quoted lines omitted: 24>>
> http://www.synapsedirect.com > Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR.
-- Graham Chiu http://www.synapsedirect.com Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR.

 [10/27] from: carl:cybercraft at: 18-Dec-2008 6:07


On Thursday, 18-December-2008 at 17:38:25 Graham Chiu wrote,
>And here's the previous discussion > >http://www.mail-archive.com/rebolist-rebol.net/msg00589.html > >So, those who send =20 need to change the settings on their mail >clients so that the rest of us are not aesthetically displeased.
Further reading... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quoted-printable This encoding is reversible, meaning the original bytes and hence the non-ASCII characters they represent can be recovered. So, who understands email headers? As have the emails we receive from the list already been converted, (just not properly), or not? -- Carl Read.

 [11/27] from: compkarori::gmail::com at: 18-Dec-2008 6:07


They can be recovered if it's email client to email client. But clearly the list server is being interposed. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Carl Read <carl-cybercraft.co.nz> wrote:
> On Thursday, 18-December-2008 at 17:38:25 Graham Chiu wrote, >>And here's the previous discussion
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> To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.
-- Graham Chiu http://www.synapsedirect.com Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR.

 [12/27] from: dhsunanda::gmail::com at: 18-Dec-2008 8:21


Graham:
> And here's the previous discussion > > http://www.mail-archive.com/rebolist-rebol.net/msg00589.html
Thanks for tracking down the previous discussion. The full thread is easier to read here: <http://www.rebol.org/ml-display-thread.r?m=rmlSXRC> Ecartis, the mail list server used by this list clear has some limitations. But I am not sure the solution suggested in the previous discussion (to set mail to 8-bit) is an ideal solution. It also does not seem to work always. Take a look at this recent message: <http://mail.rebol.net/cgi-bin/mail-list.r?msg=44422> mail.rebol.net publishes messaages as received, headers and all. There is an =20 in there, yet the header is set as: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There's another thread here: <http://www.rebol.org/ml-display-thread.r?m=rmlWHQC> It proposes another solution: turning quoted-printable off for messages to this list. No idea if that would work. Sunanda

 [13/27] from: compkarori:gm:ail at: 18-Dec-2008 10:07


Sunanda, It looks like I'm the last poster in that thread! You're referring to Nick's email ... and what we are saying is that Ecartis is changing it from quoted printable to 8bit but not doing a good job of the decoding. So, you should set your email client to 8bit instead of quoted printable. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Sunanda <dhsunanda-gmail.com> wrote:
> Graham: >> And here's the previous discussion
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> To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.
-- Graham Chiu http://www.synapsedirect.com Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR.

 [14/27] from: carl:cybercraft at: 18-Dec-2008 10:08


On Thursday, 18-December-2008 at 21:56:21 Graham Chiu wrote,
>Sunanda, > >It looks like I'm the last poster in that thread! >You're referring to Nick's email ... and what we are saying is that >Ecartis is changing it from quoted printable to 8bit but not doing a >good job of the decoding. >So, you should set your email client to 8bit instead of quoted printable.
But that won't fix new list users' emails whose clients are set to quoted-printable, resulting in more threads like this in the future. It's Ecartis that should be fixed... -- Carl Read.

 [15/27] from: compkarori:g:mail at: 18-Dec-2008 10:08


Well, yes, Gabriele did point that out in 2004. Let's not repeat the discussion. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Carl Read <carl-cybercraft.co.nz> wrote:
> On Thursday, 18-December-2008 at 21:56:21 Graham Chiu wrote, >>Sunanda,
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> To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.
-- Graham Chiu http://www.synapsedirect.com Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR.

 [16/27] from: carl:cybercraft at: 18-Dec-2008 10:08


On Thursday, 18-December-2008 at 22:16:31 Graham Chiu wrote,
>Well, yes, Gabriele did point that out in 2004. >Let's not repeat the discussion.
A reminder to fix the problem once every four years isn't all that persistant... :-) -- Carl.

 [17/27] from: mat::plothatching::com at: 19-Dec-2008 8:21


2008/12/18 Carl Read <carl-cybercraft.co.nz>
> But that won't fix new list users' emails whose clients are set to > quoted-printable, resulting in more threads like this in the future. It's > Ecartis that should be fixed... >
One 'fix' would be to just move it to Google groups :-) I knocked up a pretty comprehensive mailing list app in rebol a few years ago. Can't find it though. I used a command line tool for sending email. -- Regards, Mat Bettinson

 [18/27] from: carl:cybercraft at: 19-Dec-2008 2:17


On Friday, 19-December-2008 at 8:21:20 Mat Bettinson wrote,
>2008/12/18 Carl Read <carl-cybercraft.co.nz> >>
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>> >One 'fix' would be to just move it to Google groups :-)
That's already been thought of due to other concerns... http://groups.google.com/group/Rebol However, I think it was rejected as the official list due to Google's TOS. Something about who owns the emails. -- Carl Read.

 [19/27] from: tim-johnsons:web at: 18-Dec-2008 15:49


On Thursday 18 December 2008, Mat Bettinson wrote:
> 2008/12/18 Carl Read <carl-cybercraft.co.nz> > > > But that won't fix new list users' emails whose clients are set to > > quoted-printable, resulting in more threads like this in the future. It's > > Ecartis that should be fixed... > > One 'fix' would be to just move it to Google groups :-)
Amen. I note that vim is using Google groups. That ML averages 25,000 - 30,000 messages per years without any problems. (my rough guess) I belong to the vim ML, so I could post some inquiries if any so chooses. But Google groups has my vote. MTCW Tim

 [20/27] from: ammon:johnson:gma:il at: 18-Dec-2008 22:54


We already have a REBOL group set up at Google Groups. Carl is even on the list... Enjoy!! ~~Ammon ;~> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Tim Johnson <tim-johnsons-web.com> wrote:
> On Thursday 18 December 2008, Mat Bettinson wrote: > > 2008/12/18 Carl Read <carl-cybercraft.co.nz>
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> To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.
-- Jay London - "I was going to buy a book on hair loss, but the pages kept falling out."

 [21/27] from: petr:krenzelok:seznam:cz at: 19-Dec-2008 8:58


Ammon Johnson napsal(a):
> We already have a REBOL group set up at Google Groups. Carl is even on the > list... > > Enjoy!! > ~~Ammon ;~> >
Last I looked at Google groups, the interface was so ugly, that I imediatelly refused to use it. Now looking at it, it does not look so bad. However - what is it, a BBS? Let's sum up our recent channels: - AltME - fast, instant messaging, ability to share, private chat, bugreport, callendar, checklist. Easy to set-up, not that difficult to get in, client works from USB flash - ML - not so used today, but classic tool, very heavily used in the past - RebTalk - non official REBOL BBS - Carl's blog comments - mostly one-sided communication As for Carl's blogs, you surely realised, that Carl plus few ppl on r3-alpha were trying to decide upon communication channels. Not sure decision was made, but it seems that many ppl would welcome official RT's forum. The talk was between systems like phpBB, vBulletin, myBB, but also something more easy, REBOL based. In that regard, Oldes is working on BBS. Nothing was decided yet. ... so, I am not sure it is wise nowadays to start - yet-another communication channel, but - maybe it takes-up, so who knows ... -pekr-

 [22/27] from: carl:cybercraft at: 19-Dec-2008 10:19


What people use for private communication about REBOL isn't important - whoever's involved will just choose what they like the best. Public communication channels are very important though, as it's part of REBOL's advertising. Reading such communications are how a lot of those who haven't used REBOL will get a flavour of it. Ideally it'd be written in REBOL and use the REBOL plugin, along with an archive in html. Using the plugin will also be good advertising for REBOL. And all of rebol.com should be using the plugin too. -- Carl Read. On Friday, 19-December-2008 at 8:58:27 Petr Krenzelok wrote,

 [23/27] from: petr:krenzelok:seznam:cz at: 19-Dec-2008 10:14


Carl Read napsal(a):
> What people use for private communication about REBOL isn't important - whoever's involved will just choose what they like the best. >
yes, it is important, and you are imo wrong :-) We should not depreciate one factor - diversification of comm channels. What is another comm channel good for, if not used? How many ppl from here do support newices on reboltalk.com for e.g.? Our community is rather small and I prefer less well supported channels than other way around ... just my two cents ... -pekr-

 [24/27] from: compkarori:gm:ail at: 19-Dec-2008 10:19


bad idea.. the plugin only reliably works on IE. On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Carl Read <carl-cybercraft.co.nz> wrote:
> What people use for private communication about REBOL isn't important - whoever's involved will just choose what they like the best. > > Public communication channels are very important though, as it's part of REBOL's advertising. Reading such communications are how a lot of those who haven't used REBOL will get a flavour of it. > > Ideally it'd be written in REBOL and use the REBOL plugin, along with an archive in html. Using the plugin will also be good advertising for REBOL. And all of rebol.com should be using the plugin too. > > -- Carl Read. >
-- Graham Chiu http://www.synapsedirect.com Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR.

 [25/27] from: carl:cybercraft at: 19-Dec-2008 10:23


On Friday, 19-December-2008 at 22:47:58 Graham Chiu wrote,
>bad idea.. the plugin only reliably works on IE.
You think I don't know that? -- Carl Read.

 [26/27] from: petr::krenzelok::seznam::cz at: 19-Dec-2008 11:11


Carl Read napsal(a):
> On Friday, 19-December-2008 at 22:47:58 Graham Chiu wrote, > >> bad idea.. the plugin only reliably works on IE. >> > > You think I don't know that? >
guys, peace :-) plug-in was NEVER properly finished. Josh was supposed to work on new security model, but the doc never appeared. New version was supposed also to allow more than one instance on the webpage. So - we need to start over imo. As for me, I find plug-in being a strategic product, because of easy of deployment for an end user. Plug-in source code will be released along with host codes IIRC ... -pekr-

 [27/27] from: carl::cybercraft::co::nz at: 19-Dec-2008 14:24


It's alright pekr - Graham and I live in the same country. ;-) I was just being terse, which can be useful. Thus you said: "As for me, I find plug-in being a strategic product". And I couldn't agree more, which is partly my point. It's been treated in a half-hearted way up until now. Hopefully it won't be in the future. -- Carl Read. On Friday, 19-December-2008 at 11:11:09 Petr Krenzelok wrote,

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