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French REBOL book.

 [1/4] from: carl:cybercraft at: 14-Feb-2002 14:09


Just out of interest, has anyone here seen the "REBOL Programming" book by Olivier Auverlot yet? Being in French means it's not of much use to me, but if it's good, wouldn't a translation into English make sense? -- Carl Read

 [2/4] from: jason:cunliffe:verizon at: 13-Feb-2002 22:56


From: "Carl Read" <[carl--cybercraft--co--nz]>
> Just out of interest, has anyone here seen the "REBOL Programming" > book by Olivier Auverlot yet? Being in French means it's not of much > use to me, but if it's good, wouldn't a translation into English make > sense?
YES I have it. [I ordered it online from Eyrolles own site]. It's great. Well written, beautifuly designed. imho Nicest REBOl book to date to read and to hold. I wrote to Olivier Auverlot a while ago offering to translate it into English. He wrote back promptly, expressing interest and then again saying the publishers were looking into it. But I am still waiting to hear some real news. Guess it's time to nudge the project along again.. In my experience, doing busines in France is often like this and requires considerable patience, perseverence and diplomacy. Also, as enthusiastic as I am, I imagine that publishing a REBOL book takes some guts, especially in current market. Against: Few have heard of it, very low media profile, not much real 'news' even on RT, gooogle searches mostly show old 1999, 2000 links. ie hot new technology is pehasp not so hot...No visible uses of rebol and free opensource tools have taken the limelight increasingly among 'new discoveries' For: REBOL has matured. Lots of cool new stuff, new knowledge, new awareness of rebol-like technology and applications, including .NET gorilla. Olivier Auverlot's book is well done and would translate very well into English as it is. ready to go.. Further: Even better than straight translation I would love to invite people here to help add some new chapters. First, extend the knowledge on /View and /VID. Then nwe hcapters on Rugby, Vanilla, and Flash. Flash with REBOL could address client-side and serverside, for example with Oldes' %make-swf.r Flash books sell briskly {Flash with XML, PHP,MySQL etc}..and now that Macromedia has recently proposed to open up Flash use as non-browser based platform [like /View]. Things are going to heat up. Meanwhile ever more deals: http://macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2002/dotnet_framework.html http://macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2002/motorola_flashplayer.html http://macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2002/nokia_mediaterminal.html Flash 6 looks like it will feature full interactive video conferencing and streaming. REBOL could play very very well with Flash. Then an overview chapter with some [ahem] useful info about IOS. And perhaps finally a roundtable discussion asking rebollers about 'programming with rebol' to better give the human and pragrmatic flavor of why is so much addictive fun. Rebol applications.. rebol in schools.. suggestions..? ./Jason

 [3/4] from: gschwarz::netconnect::com::au at: 14-Feb-2002 17:23


This "New" book would very nice. :-) A chapter on Flash or two would be a good selling point. Hope to see it this year? Regards, Greg On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:56:14 -0500 Jason Cunliffe <[jason--cunliffe--verizon--net]> wrote:

 [4/4] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 14-Feb-2002 8:24


> Against: > Few have heard of it, very low media profile, not much real 'news' even on > RT, gooogle searches mostly show old 1999, 2000 links. ie hot new technology > is pehasp not so hot...No visible uses of rebol and free opensource tools > have taken the limelight increasingly among 'new discoveries' >
yes, very true ... Rebol community seems to be just few hundred of active users imo .... RT took a high risk with IOS imo - on one hand they created product they can sell, on the other hand Rebol developers live without product update for nearly one year already. But from IOS conference I know that Carl wants to change it - there are two groups of Rebol users - corporate users, and, Rebol developers. Carl wants to make technology more visible once again, and it is good message to us all, as technology is what matters. I am not sure what is happening with Morpheus, as their 2.0 Rebol based version was supposed to be released at the end of last year. I hope deals like Morpheus will help to spread the word ....
> Further: > Even better than straight translation I would love to invite people here to > help add some new chapters. First, extend the knowledge on /View and /VID. > Then nwe hcapters on Rugby, Vanilla, and Flash. >
We should probably concentrate around Rebolforces.com for quite some time. Rugby needs decent home page, but is there actually any gfx oriented user here to help? The truth is we need some apps, most Rebol community projects failed so far. But we will see ... Maybe even forming some packages/collections would help: 1) rebol network suite - anamonitor, profiler, mysql, rugby, lrwp, xml stuff, xml-rpc .... 2) rebol game suite - there is few nice games around .... 3) rebol demo suite - old amiga days returning? :-) Well, not unless View is improved in few aspects (right Cyphre? :-), sound capabilities extended and unlocked ...
> Flash with REBOL could address client-side and serverside, for example with > Oldes' %make-swf.r Flash books sell briskly {Flash with XML, PHP,MySQL
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> Flash 6 looks like it will feature full interactive video conferencing and > streaming. REBOL could play very very well with Flash.
Yes, Macromedia seems start to understand what the rebol's message to computing world is. We can be smaller, maybe even better in some aspects, but we will probably lack in multimedia field - the area most end-users are interested in. But - we can't know, when any significant improvements to Rebol cores will be released..... -pekr-

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