French REBOL book.
[1/4] from: carl:cybercraft at: 14-Feb-2002 14:09
Just out of interest, has anyone here seen the "REBOL Programming"
book by Olivier Auverlot yet? Being in French means it's not of much
use to me, but if it's good, wouldn't a translation into English make
sense?
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Carl Read
[2/4] from: jason:cunliffe:verizon at: 13-Feb-2002 22:56
From: "Carl Read" <[carl--cybercraft--co--nz]>
> Just out of interest, has anyone here seen the "REBOL Programming"
> book by Olivier Auverlot yet? Being in French means it's not of much
> use to me, but if it's good, wouldn't a translation into English make
> sense?
YES
I have it. [I ordered it online from Eyrolles own site]. It's great. Well
written, beautifuly designed. imho Nicest REBOl book to date to read and to
hold.
I wrote to Olivier Auverlot a while ago offering to translate it into
English. He wrote back promptly, expressing interest and then again saying
the publishers were looking into it. But I am still waiting to hear some
real news. Guess it's time to nudge the project along again.. In my
experience, doing busines in France is often like this and requires
considerable patience, perseverence and diplomacy.
Also, as enthusiastic as I am, I imagine that publishing a REBOL book takes
some guts, especially in current market.
Against:
Few have heard of it, very low media profile, not much real 'news' even on
RT, gooogle searches mostly show old 1999, 2000 links. ie hot new technology
is pehasp not so hot...No visible uses of rebol and free opensource tools
have taken the limelight increasingly among 'new discoveries'
For:
REBOL has matured. Lots of cool new stuff, new knowledge, new awareness of
rebol-like technology and applications, including .NET gorilla.
Olivier Auverlot's book is well done and would translate very well into
English as it is. ready to go..
Further:
Even better than straight translation I would love to invite people here to
help add some new chapters. First, extend the knowledge on /View and /VID.
Then nwe hcapters on Rugby, Vanilla, and Flash.
Flash with REBOL could address client-side and serverside, for example with
Oldes' %make-swf.r Flash books sell briskly {Flash with XML, PHP,MySQL
etc}..and now that Macromedia has recently proposed to open up Flash use as
non-browser based platform [like /View].
Things are going to heat up. Meanwhile ever more deals:
http://macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2002/dotnet_framework.html
http://macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2002/motorola_flashplayer.html
http://macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2002/nokia_mediaterminal.html
Flash 6 looks like it will feature full interactive video conferencing and
streaming. REBOL could play very very well with Flash.
Then an overview chapter with some [ahem] useful info about IOS.
And perhaps finally a roundtable discussion asking rebollers about
'programming with rebol' to better give the human and pragrmatic flavor of
why is so much addictive fun. Rebol applications.. rebol in schools..
suggestions..?
./Jason
[3/4] from: gschwarz::netconnect::com::au at: 14-Feb-2002 17:23
This "New" book would very nice. :-)
A chapter on Flash or two would be a good selling point.
Hope to see it this year?
Regards,
Greg
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:56:14 -0500
Jason Cunliffe
<[jason--cunliffe--verizon--net]> wrote:
[4/4] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 14-Feb-2002 8:24
> Against:
> Few have heard of it, very low media profile, not much real 'news' even on
> RT, gooogle searches mostly show old 1999, 2000 links. ie hot new technology
> is pehasp not so hot...No visible uses of rebol and free opensource tools
> have taken the limelight increasingly among 'new discoveries'
>
yes, very true ... Rebol community seems to be just few hundred of active users
imo .... RT took a high risk with IOS imo - on one hand they created product
they can sell, on the other hand Rebol developers live without product update
for nearly one year already. But from IOS conference I know that Carl wants to
change it - there are two groups of Rebol users - corporate users, and, Rebol
developers. Carl wants to make technology more visible once again, and it is
good message to us all, as technology is what matters.
I am not sure what is happening with Morpheus, as their 2.0 Rebol based version
was supposed to be released at the end of last year. I hope deals like Morpheus
will help to spread the word ....
> Further:
> Even better than straight translation I would love to invite people here to
> help add some new chapters. First, extend the knowledge on /View and /VID.
> Then nwe hcapters on Rugby, Vanilla, and Flash.
>
We should probably concentrate around Rebolforces.com for quite some time. Rugby
needs decent home page, but is there actually any gfx oriented user here to
help? The truth is we need some apps, most Rebol community projects failed so
far. But we will see ...
Maybe even forming some packages/collections would help:
1) rebol network suite - anamonitor, profiler, mysql, rugby, lrwp, xml stuff,
xml-rpc ....
2) rebol game suite - there is few nice games around ....
3) rebol demo suite - old amiga days returning? :-) Well, not unless View is
improved in few aspects (right Cyphre? :-), sound capabilities extended and
unlocked ...
> Flash with REBOL could address client-side and serverside, for example with
> Oldes' %make-swf.r Flash books sell briskly {Flash with XML, PHP,MySQL
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> Flash 6 looks like it will feature full interactive video conferencing and
> streaming. REBOL could play very very well with Flash.
Yes, Macromedia seems start to understand what the rebol's message to computing
world is. We can be smaller, maybe even better in some aspects, but we will
probably lack in multimedia field - the area most end-users are interested in.
But - we can't know, when any significant improvements to Rebol cores will be
released.....
-pekr-
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