more than one pane was: The big idea of Rebol
[1/9] from: rotenca:telvia:it at: 3-Jun-2002 19:02
Hi Boleslav
>from my point of view (as I am still fiddling with VID)...
>everything is in more than one pane
:-)
I have the impression that this crashes the new beta version of View: am i
wrong?
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Ciao
Romano
[2/9] from: rebolek:seznam:cz at: 4-Jun-2002 9:16
>>from my point of view (as I am still fiddling with VID)... everything
>>is in more than one pane
>
>:-)
>
>I have the impression that this crashes the new beta version of View:
am i wrong?
AFAIK it does not crash. I am just moving mouse over my window and the
log in the console just gets bigger and bigger...
and I still don't know in which panes is the face...
We have to wait till RT introduces 'clone or something like that for
cloning complete object!.
bye, bb
[3/9] from: cyphre::seznam::cz at: 4-Jun-2002 11:21
Hi Bolek,
I absolutely second your idea ;-)
regards,
Cyphre
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From: "Boleslav Brezovsky" <[rebolek--seznam--cz]>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:16 AM
Subject: [REBOL] Re: more than one pane was: The big idea of Rebol
>>from my point of view (as I am still fiddling with VID)... everything
>>is in more than one pane
>
>:-)
>
>I have the impression that this crashes the new beta version of View:
am i wrong?
AFAIK it does not crash. I am just moving mouse over my window and the
log in the console just gets bigger and bigger...
and I still don't know in which panes is the face...
We have to wait till RT introduces 'clone or something like that for
cloning complete object!.
bye, bb
[4/9] from: anton:lexicon at: 4-Jun-2002 21:53
You are talking about deep copy, no?
What if the object contains a reference to the
system object, for example? Or, as is common,
'parent-face ?
What are you going to do, copy the system object into
your new object?
Anyway, if you need that kind of functionality, (and I don't
think you really do), then I think Ladislav's evaluation.r
does it. I haven't tried it out though.
I am curious, Boleslav, if you are still confused about anything.
How about posting a little example you are trying and we can
discuss it.
Anton.
[5/9] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 4-Jun-2002 15:11
Cyphre wrote:
>Hi Bolek,
>
>I absolutely second your idea ;-)
>
to add to already rebelious czech opinion - it's dead call in the wind
folks - rt will not change it .... let's face it. Either it is
technologically not so easily achievable, or they don't listen enough to
what troubles developers most ... :-)
-pekr-
[6/9] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 4-Jun-2002 15:15
Anton wrote:
>You are talking about deep copy, no?
>What if the object contains a reference to the
>system object, for example? Or, as is common,
>'parent-face ?
>What are you going to do, copy the system object into
>your new object?
>
Surely not, that's what copy/deep would be good for - to have an option ...
>Anyway, if you need that kind of functionality, (and I don't
>think you really do), then I think Ladislav's evaluation.r
>does it. I haven't tried it out though.
>
>I am curious, Boleslav, if you are still confused about anything.
>
I can't agree here. Now tell me Anton, if you had never any kind of
problem playing with VID, while ending up with confused UI, shared
edges, feels, or other sub-objects? Just curious ... as if not, we are
probably all dumb here in CZ then ;-)
-pekr-
[7/9] from: anton:lexicon at: 5-Jun-2002 3:30
Petr,
Yes, totally!
I had plenty of confused times with VID.
But I don't think a "brute force" copy/deep function helps
at all. The problem is one of understanding. We need
nice tools for seeing the situation, not just blindly copying
everything. You see what I mean? When we want to copy
things, we want to be selective, otherwise we become very
inefficient.
I think a deep/copy would be useful for VID only if it has really
good options for selective copying. It must be able to ignore
certain objects like system/view/vid etc.
Such a useful function is very hard to write and would require
lots of tweaking and maintenance as View and VID evolve.
(I think so anyway, maybe not).
Anton.
[8/9] from: g:santilli:tiscalinet:it at: 4-Jun-2002 22:41
Hi Petr,
On Tuesday, June 04, 2002, 3:15:26 PM, you wrote:
PK> I can't agree here. Now tell me Anton, if you had never any kind of
PK> problem playing with VID, while ending up with confused UI, shared
PK> edges, feels, or other sub-objects? Just curious ... as if not, we are
PK> probably all dumb here in CZ then ;-)
You're all great rebols in CZ Petr, and problems with sub-objects
surely happen --- but when they do, you simply clone the
sub-objects. It may be a bit problematic in some cases, but I
don't think it's such a great problem. :)
A generic CLONE is not feasible. A special one, you can do it by
yourself. So, what's the matter?
Regards,
Gabriele.
--
Gabriele Santilli <[g--santilli--tiscalinet--it]> -- REBOL Programmer
Amigan -- AGI L'Aquila -- REB: http://web.tiscali.it/rebol/index.r
[9/9] from: rotenca::telvia::it at: 5-Jun-2002 0:56
Re: more than one pane
Hi, Boleslav
>AFAIK it does not crash. I am just moving mouse over my window and the
>log in the console just gets bigger and bigger...
>and I still don't know in which panes is the face...
I have uploaded to the Rebol library dump-face, which should show the
more than in one pane
faces and extend the RT dump-face.
>We have to wait till RT introduces 'clone or something like that for
>cloning complete object!.
If you use make-face, it has a clone refinement for copying some elements of a
face object! It is not the final solution but can be useful.
I think the problem is only in the lack of good debugging functions.
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Ciao
Romano
bye, bb