[REBOL] Re: What's native?
From: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 24-Jun-2004 0:37
Robert M. Münch wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:14:33 +1200, Carl Read <[carl--cybercraft--co--nz]>
>>One of the complaints I receive about REBOL is it doesn't adopt the
>>look-and-feel of the OS it's running on,
>Hi, yep, that's what I hear for xpeers.net as well. We don't need to
>discuss if this is really a show-stopper or not, the fact is, people
>recognize it and make a decision on this perception. That's the bad thing
>about it. The IT guy in a company looks at it and says:
> Hmmm... not a standard GUI? Than it's not a standard application and we
>don't use it. Have a nice day.
Robert - then they are morons, sorry. Have you ever looked into Lotus
Notes for e.g.? What is so much standard about it? :-) I saw so really
badly designed apps, that you would not believe it. And it uses native
widgets or so I think. But even LN tries to go web way, so we can end
with really strange mixture of two distinct aproaches, if we are not
Then I saw Delphi apps. Man, what does Delphi do? It is like Visual
Basic. It support bad design from the very beginning. You can easily be
in the same league with rebol Starting with form is bad imo. E.g. CA-VO
started with MDI or SDI window as a top window, then menu and menu opens
other windows. While Delphi (well, last I saw was 5.x family) simply
starts with form. Ppl put buttons directly on form together with menu at
the top. That is really piggy aproach which I would not tolerate in my
team (well, maybe i am crazy enough, I forbig my folks to use windows
registry - our apps are installed by "copy & run" principle - much
So, company you are referring to either has really good guidelines, or
they just have other agenda why they refuse IOS UI and then - they suck.
I would fire programmer telling me IOS is so much different in usage, as
it simply is not. We have Delphi apps, SAP front-end apps, Lotus Notes
apps, web apps. Do you think they share 100% the same usability principles?
Well, sorry for being too stright, but ask those "experts" how is that
they don't complain to possible java apps, as UI wise they may pretty
much suck ...