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[REBOL] Re: Language Popularity & Network Effects; Ruby & Mongrel

From: edoconnor::gmail at: 21-Nov-2007 15:53

Interesting discussion. I like the notion of PHP finding its niche with serving web pages. I'm not sure what REBOL's niche would be. REBOL was designed as a messaging language. I think I'd be struck down to hear someone say, Boy, you need to get your hands on a good, solid messaging language! Or, likewise, "Where can I find a dynamic, highly-reflective metaprogramming language when I need one." :^) I think that REBOL's strong point is it's convenience. I like the fact that I can fire up the interpreter on Windows or OS X and use it to manage my local data files with minimal fuss. Or that I can parse & extract content from web pages quickly. In this personal productivity/end-user programming space, I'd like to see stronger ways of managing/launching automated scripts, like a cron-job on the *nix platforms. The areas where I find REBOL is not so simple is in managing errors, networking, encryption, xml and building DSLs. I'm not saying the power isn't there, just that you need to have a good deal of expertise in these areas to leverage these features. Oddly, many of the aforementioned features might be considered central to the idea of messaging . If REBOL could make these things much more accessible and simple, and co-opt more of the SOA terminology, I think RT could enjoy more acceptance as a quick & dirty scripting language for plumbing enterprise architectures (as well as public ones, amazon S3, etc.). REBOL needs to enable the type of programming experience and end-user apps that people are not getting from current scripting languages and tool-sets. See "We have lost control of the apparatus" for more on anticipating the needs of future users: Regards