[REBOL] appreciation of rebol
From: kevin_kelleher:non:hp at: 16-Mar-2001 12:55
First, thanks to those who responded to my "substring" question.
You solved my problem.
I'm writing to express my appreciation for the Rebol language.
For the past three years I engaged (when I had the time) in
a search for a "language I could fall in love with." I found the
best formulation for the way I was felt in Keith Waclena's
My Programming Language Crisis
I can do pretty much whatever I need in C, C++, or Perl.
I am very good at unix shell scripting, and have some
familiarity with Java. But I didn't like them, really.
I wanted something a little more *intuitive* and was
bothered by the fact that most languages (like Perl, for
example) required me to pull in special libraries to do
some tasks, and none integrated GUI-building in any
I looked at just about every free language out there;
played with Python, Ruby, Tcl, Icon, and others.
It took some time to get a grip on the various families of
languages: logical, functional, etc., and had gotten to the
point that I thought my best course of action would be
to learn Scheme, Prolog, Haskell, and Squeak (a version
of Smalltalk). I still think that would be a good idea,
but after putting in some time in that direction, I
filed the idea under the "some day" category.
The problem was, I wasn't getting any return on my efforts.
It takes time to learn any language, and you cannot learn
a language at all well unless you WORK in it, make things
with it, use it to solve some real problem.
I have a tool that now runs as a combination of Korn shell and
Perl scripts. It fetches a list of web pages and extracts only what's
new to me (or the headlines, depending on type of page), and
constructs a single page from the pieces. Some of the pages
have altered their format; the tool needs some adjustments
and improvements, and it would be more convenient if it
ran on my PC rather the unix box.
So as I studied the four languages I was looking to get to the
point when I would know enough to start programming, but
it was a long time coming. I could see that one command does this,
another command does that, but how it all fit together was another
thing. I wanted to know: "How do I open a file? How do I fetch a
page from the web? How do I parse HTML and (generally)
Yes, it takes time to learn a language, and usually you have to
start with the basics. Forget about I/O, GUIs, networking.
Well, I've known about Rebol ever since it came out, have
downloaded it several times and looked at the documentation,
but resisted it, I don't know why.
Then I was looking for a Wiki Wiki implementation to use, and
found Vanilla (http://www.langreiter.com/vanilla) and was
amazed at how compact the code was. (I didn't end up using
it, but only because the Wiki-need passed.)
It finally hit me - Rebol was the language I was looking for.
It's a scripting language, has GUI-creation built in, doesn't
require separate libraries or modules to do useful work,
incorporates network commands transparently, and is
terse yet comprehensible. The size of the command-set is
fairly small, but it is quite powerful. I was looking for a language
for my everyday tasks, and this is the one.
Right away I got to work rewriting that webpage-fetching tool.
I'm surprised at how quickly I'm creating it in Rebol, but I am
more surprised at the way I'm adding functionality.
I didn't expect to do that; I didn't think that Rebol's string parsing
could match that done by sed and Perl, but I very quickly knocked
out a function to extract any table from a web page, and that
is an idea that I didn't even have in the original version of the tool.
So, thanks to you folks at Rebol, and I hope to see Rebol more widely
known and more widely used. I will certainly be recommending it
to my friends and colleages.
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