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[REBOL] Re: Email woes on IBM/AIX Risc 6000

From: edanaii:cox at: 2-Aug-2002 15:47

G. Scott Jones wrote:
>Hi, Ed, > >From: "Ed Dana" > >>G. Scott Jones wrote: >> >>>It is not obvious from what you wrote about. ... >>> >>Nope, it's not obvious from what I wrote. But then, that's my whole >>problem, I'm not sure where I should start looking. :) >> > >Sorry. I didn't mean to imply that your description was in any way >inadequate or lacking. I should have written something more like that I >agreed that it certainly wasn't obvious what was going on. My blunder; >sorry. >
Think nothing of it. I did. :)
>>I don't believe that the server requires authentication. Working with >>our SA, we were able to send an email on that box using a unix command >>(I forget which, I'm not a unix dude), it worked fine. >> > >I also should clarify at this point that I, too, am not a AIX/unix/*nix >dude, but I played one at an improv theater once. (<<---- Attempt-At-Humor >Alert ---->>) So like all good actors, then I'm probably over qualified. >:-) >
That's OK, I slept at a Holiday Inn... (Funny only if you live here in the States and pay attention to Holiday Inn commercials :)
>Actually I don't think that this is an AIX issue, or I wouldn't be wasting >your time. Just that in being a close follower of the list, I've noticed >certain recurring patterns of problems. This one *appears* to be a >requires-some-sort-of-authentication-that-is-not-fully-supported category, >which can be further subcategorized into a >using-a-"non-standard"-user-account-name or >using-one-of-the-many-non-standardized-authenticated-smtp issues. >
My problem is: I don't know. Personally, I think it is a configuration issue, but where? It's either REBOL, or it's the AIX box. And I gotta eliminate one in order for it to be the other.
>>I'll try it, but I'm not sure what you mean by "your-client-url"? Do you >>mean the url of the box I'm trying to email from? Please clarify... >> > >I guess that was a bit nebulous. Sorry. As Anton pointed out in a separate >response, it may not matter what is typed in here because many email servers >will determine what it needs, namely your machine's URL, and therefore, your >machine's IP. > >Assuming that you are emailing from within the network (which I assume you >are since I cannot ping nor telnet to your server from the Internet), your >client url would likely look something like "" or maybe >"". The email server will then get the IP >address that belongs to this url. My foggy-headed understanding of this is >that some email servers can be configured to only accept email from within >certain subnets as a further means of avoiding the unintended hosting of a >promiscuous email server (I just love that expression). Further >authentication is a redunduncy added in case the url/ip has been spoofed, or >authentication can be used to accept email from outside the subnet or >network (like if you are working from home), in which case the url/ip is >unimportant, but the user account name and password is crucial to avoid >being a promiscuous email server (there's that expression again). > >Since you didn't mention having a user account name that includes an @ (like >[myname--mydomain--dom]) and that you use (or will be using) Exchange server, >then you may wish to try the hack I made April '01 for Nick Carson. >
I am using an Exchange Server (or will be), unfortunately, I don't know if smtprelay is an exchange server or not. It's supposed to be a simple relay server, but I know little of these things. But it is definitely not the server I am ultimately going to connect to. At this point, I've done nothing more than try and send an email. Maybe I should spend another night in a Holiday Inn? =)
> > >In this solution, I provide two scripts that add hacked versions of the smtp >scheme and the send function. Watch for line breaks. I renamed these to >avoid any conflict with REBOL's official version, but can be named to >overwrite the default code. As it stands, these scripts are designed to be >run from a REBOL console, but can be easily rewritten to run as a /View gui. >The authenticating username and password are requested from the console >prompt on first use, and stored internally for the rest of the session. >These values are not saved to permanent storage locally for security >reasons. Please note that if this script is to be provided for multiple >user use, it would be trivial to halt a script then hack and get the >username and password once entered (meaning, security risk). If this is the >situation, then the scripts should be changed to ask for the >username/password *each time* needed. >
I'll give this a try next week.
>If these scripts do not work, then I would try the telnet route. From >Windows, open a dos box and type in: > telnet 25 >After the email server responds, type > EHLO your-client-url-as-discussed-above >then see what returns. This return infomation will be very valuable for >determining what to do next in making REBOL compatible. You may sign-off >the telnet session with "QUIT" and return. > >(BTW, if you cannot see what you type, then in the telnet menu, click >preferences, and select "local echo".) > >I hope I have further clarified what was evidently a less than clear >explanation. I'm interested in hearing what you find. >
As I mentioned to Anton, I tried HELO (EHLO wasn't available). I only got one response "OK". That was about it... -- Sincerely, | When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries of Ed Dana | life disappear and life stands explained. Software Developer | -- Mark Twain 1Ghz Athlon Amiga |