[REBOL] Re: Development rebol scripts on Linux
From: ale870:gm:ail at: 17-Nov-2007 22:19
Hello guys, this discussion is very interesting and I think all of you are
right, and all of you are wrong.
Because there are two important points to remember:
1) One makes a program to gain money or to enjoy itself? If you want to gain
money, you need to maximize the results and minimize the time to do them:
get the best results with the minimum effort, stress. If you make a program
to enjoy, then do everything you like, since everything satisfy your mind
and your soul is good in this case;
2) Does not exist a programming language to make everything: every
programming language best fits specific targets. Please tell this to
everybody that say that drag'n'drop is better (but better than... ?) Well,
try to create a kernel module (or an entire O.S. using a drag'n'drop
system... no. In that case you need an efficient IDE, text based, and... C
language (or C++). No GUI, no buttons. You need only an IDE, a lot of
documentation, and a good brain!). If you want to create a rich client
application, then you could need a drag'n'drop, a RAD tool, documentation,
and a good brain!
I think it is not important which language you learn, or which tool you use.
A good programmer (analyst/programmer) needs a good method, a strong
preparation, a good brain to analyze and solve problems, a good approach to
the different kind of programming (procedural, object oriented, functional),
and... a bit of lucky (just to be lucky to use a compiler without too many
bugs! :-) )
On Nov 17, 2007 9:59 PM, Brian Tiffin <btiffin-rogers.com> wrote:
> Gentlemen; I don't understand. :)
> This has not been my experience at all. Maybe it's because I am more of a
> of the CLI over the GUI when it comes to development. Actually I should
> a nice CLI inside a nice GUI.
> KDE, Konsole and Kate. Beautiful development environment. (It's not
> official, but scraping the net I found a Kate REBOL syntax highlighter).
> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kwrite-devel&m=111834309909165&w=3 by Roland
> (completely manual operation getting it installed ... pulled out the XML
> then did the whole reading up on Kate extensions thing to get in plugged
> properly...but it's wonderful).
> Konsole for tabs, (minimum 4 REBOL consoles running 24/7. One tab for
> HELP and SOURCE and thes/def/spell (from dict-demo.r in rebol.org) One
> the Viewtop and wordbrowser, the Desktop Librarian and VID editor, one for
> testing View/VID/RebGUI snippets and one (and then more) for running the
> development work-in-progress.
> Kate for the pretty colours and project management through sessions, vi
> getting quick things done and tagging (thanks to rtags) for the whole
> cross-reference thing. Kate's built in terminal keeps the working
> in synch with the file being edited. S'all good. Kate even detects when
> (any external edit) has changed the file and offers reload/ignore.
> REBOL staying in the startup terminal is nice. Getting Cygwin running on
> Vista (Cygwin console mode...not Cygwin/X) is the only thing keeping me
> in the Vista environment. rxvt and vi rules. :) (emacs is ok and all,
> I think Richard Stallman has eight fingers on each hand). Bill Joy is
> probably a thumb typer like myself.
> To all:
> So if you haven't yet; dump Windows...snag a nice GNU/Linux distro
> run KDE/Konsole/Kate/REBOL and you may never look back. If you are really
> stuck with Windows, then Cygwin your way to pretending to have a real OS
> running. :) Nothing like the power of the Unix CLI ... the best IDE ever
> Note: I'm old; (well past my Carousel date in Logan's world) ... you're
> mileage may vary.
> On Thursday 15 November 2007 16:05, Alessandro Manotti wrote:
> > Good point.
> > It's true. Rebol console linux is not so user-friendly like the one in
> > windows.
> > I don't know if R3 has a better Desktop. Can somebody confirm something
> > about R3?
> > On Nov 15, 2007 7:33 PM, Alan <fergus4-bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> > > I like Linux but I do not enjoy Rebol programming on it. Mostly due to
> > > the lack of rebol console on Linux.
> > >
> > > When I run a program from an icon and it fails you do not get the
> > > info
> > > as no console pops up. I'm not a big console guy so I tend not to
> > > programs from the linux command line.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > >
> > > Alan Macleod
> > >
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