[REBOL] Re: REBster
From: ryanc:iesco-dms at: 10-May-2001 17:02
Yep, thats what I mean.
CNET's wording is "You must be the developer or publisher of the software, or an authorized
agent, in order to submit a title." And it goes on to say later
that "The program must not infringe on any copyrights." I might be tempted to use harsher
language.
I suppose if you really want to play it safe, just break up the system into parts. If
you do this effectively, there is no one to sue, well except the
uploaders actually making the infringement. Example:
A service that says who has what, a dynamic search engine.
A program shares your files, and registers your site with the search engine.
Another program searches and downloads the stuff you want.
Now who would be guilty? Furthermore If you made the stuff more or less interchangeable
with what is already out there, that would really confuse the matter.
Plus, if they sue one of these parts, you could probably get a significant amount of
funding for your defense from those who dont want such a legal precedent to
be set if you lose. Yahoo, Netscape, Ebay, CNET, and even Microsoft could have much
to lose if the recording industry won. This could mean Yahoo would be
responsible for what pages the link to. Or maybe Microsoft would have to limit what
you could upload or download with Internet Explorer. Not going to happen.
--Ryan
Ammon Cooke wrote:
> Sounds good, but what do you mean by mp3's created by the uploader? Do you
> mean in the agreement we simply state, "WARNING, only upload this if it is
> YOUR work, or if you have written permission from the creator of this work"
> ??
>
> --Ammon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Cole" <[ryanc--iesco-dms--com]>
> To: <[rebol-list--rebol--com]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:32 PM
> Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBster
>
> > Public opionion makes all the difference. This is why napster was only
> mildly cremated, and slow cooked at that. The record companies are scared
> to death of
> > public opionion backlash. It really shows, when you look at all the steps
> that they have taken to insulate themselves--almost like they are hiding
> something.
> >
> > A name not based off the word nabster (thief) would probably be a good
> idea.
> >
> > Napster has a degree of anonimity. The last time I used it, it didnt ask
> me if any of my mp3's where copyrighted as it made them available to the
> masses. I
> > figured I was exempt when it did that.
> >
> > Only allow mp3's that were created by the uploader, and create a system of
> responsibilty that is put onto the uploader, not onto you. Each time
> someones
> > uploads, or makes available an upload, they must agree to the terms of
> use. Its the same thing as putting software on shareware.com.
> >
> > --Ryan
> >
> >
> > Ammon Cooke wrote:
> >
> > > I definetly agree. See my last post it has my view point on avoiding
> that
> > > kind of thing, however it is just my view point, & it might be good to
> get
> > > RT's permission before jumping into that kind of thing.
> > >
> > > Enjoy!!
> > > Ammon
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ed O'Connor" <[thundrebol--yahoo--com]>
> > > To: <[rebol-list--rebol--com]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:52 PM
> > > Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBster
> > >
> > > > A P2P-like file sharing system in REBOL is a neat
> > > > idea, but it could be risky from a legal standpoint.
> > > > If the application includes the ability to circumvent
> > > > music (and/or software)copyright laws, apart from your
> > > > own skin, I'd be concerned that REBOL Technologies
> > > > might be exposed to a nasty lawsuit. It's a crusade
> > > > that RT probably doesn't want to get mixed up in right
> > > > now.
> > > >
> > > > It's not unusual that the music industry would try to
> > > > implicate RT on the grounds that "it specifically
> > > > enabled" the illegal activity. I can hear it now:
> > > >
> > > > "Your Honor, we would not be here today if not for
> > > > REBOL Technologies' blatant disregard for copyright
> > > > laws. The fact is, in putting networking technology
> > > > well within range of the average computer user, REBOL
> > > > Technologies made it far easier to build illegal
> > > > messaging applications than any other product in
> > > > history. **And yet they did nothing to stop it.**"
> > > >
> > > > All kidding aside, I'd avoid anything that could end
> > > > up diverting time/resources from RT. If you build a
> > > > Napster clone, make sure you confine it to the lab
> > > > until you can implement the key security features.
> > > > Also, the name "REBster", being a play on "Napster",
> > > > isn't a great strategy if you hope to avoid
> > > > controversy.
> > > >
> > > > I realize I'm advocating a position that may not be
> > > > popular. Right or wrong, though, I'd prefer that RT
> > > > keeps its money tied up in software engineers rather
> > > > than legal defense.
> > > >
> > > > file://Ed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Ryan Cole <[ryanc--iesco-dms--com]> wrote:
> > > > > I think that its probably not too good for overall
> > > > > record sales (although I have seen statistics that
> > > > > "prove" me wrong). I also think its probably not to
> > > > > good
> > > > -------------SNIP
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