[REBOL] Re: About View "Skinz" Contest
From: etienne:alaurent:free at: 25-Feb-2002 18:57
Oh, oh ...
Really, I don't care to know witch OS is better than one other. For now,
I'm using Linux, witch is good for me. For other people, I don't know,
and I don't want to know ;-)
Simply, what I would like to say is : Rebol is running on many systems.
It's a pity that people without Windows could not use a good rebol app
because this app uses a Windows API.
(sorry for my poor english :-()
Terry Brownell wrote:
> Winamp is for Windows and Mac. It's true that 'many' people use
>windows, but I don't know how you can make an Mp3 player for view without
>multiplying the effort times the number of OS's people use/want. And I'll
>explain why it's a waste of time trying...
><The "Why use Winamp" rant...>
> I personally couldn't care less what OS I use, as long as it does what I
>want to some degree of consistancy. I've been using computers since high
>school in 1975. We had an IBM with a one line led display for the output,
>and which required punching (marking with a pencil) cards, lining up behind
>30 other students, feeding them through a reader, then approaching the
>teacher to help 'debug' your 40 line/40 cards BASIC program, only to find
>you marked "qrint" instead of "print".
> My first computer was an Atari 800 with with 8Kb of ram (upgradeable to
>a max of 16Kb for something like $400 1976 dollars... about $2000 today
>dollars :) which used a cassette tape deck for saving/loading your program.
>Took 15 minutes or more to load the simplest program. I still remember when
>the first HD's came out, 5MB! That was just incredible. Who would ever
>fill a 5mb hard drive??? And they cost, if I recall, $5000. Yes, $5000 for
> Then I got a Commodore 64 (64Kb ram) and the rest is history, with my
>latest acquistion being 1Ghz laptop.
> I've seen it all as far as desktop/PC computing goes. And frankly, this
>whole "my OS is better than your OS" spew is tiring. I don't care. I
>couldn't care less if MS went under tomorrow, or if it became the only OS
>out there. Frankly, I never cared about Apple one iota. They sold nice,
>incredibly expensive PC's that no average person could afford. If Apple had
>a cheap clone back in those days, there would'nt be an MS today. Now they,
>Apple, have 2.3% of the market. 2.3 PERCENT? Who are these people?
> All I care about is "What are people using today?" and what OS should I
>make software for first?
> So, to answer that question lets turn to the facts... Here's a great
>site to do just that called "Geeks with Guns"
> According to these stats, the Windows OS counts for 94.3%, Mac at 2.3%,
>Linux 2% and Unix 0.3% with all the rest at 1.0%
> Someone earlier complained about a floating frame on my website.
>Floating frames are cool, but only work with IE, and considering that IE
>counts for 93% of all browsers out there, I'm willing, at this time, to
>abandon the 7% of the rest. Then there's one more reason for Netscape users
>to abandon it.
> At this time, for better or worse, Microsoft is the defacto standard.
>If you are creating software for any other OS, you have seriously gimped
>your market share. (Unless your creating something that is lacking in the
>other OS, of which there is plenty... including Winamp)
> This is not about which OS is better, this is about why even you, yes
>you.. are using MS products. And don't tell me you don't, cause the numbers
>speak for themselves.
> Oops, I'm mistaken. In a room with 1000 'average' computer users, 23
>are Mac users, 20 Linux, 3 Unix and 10 everything else.
> And I'll bet you my Windows 2000 OS that the flames I receive on this
>post won't be from the 944 Windows users.
>So, why use Winamp?
><end rant, have a nice day>
>PS - Windows XP sucks. Don't know about Linux, haven't used it... probably
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Etienne ALAURENT" <[etienne--alaurent--free--fr]>
>To: "Rebol-list" <[rebol-list--rebol--com]>
>Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 3:32 PM
>Subject: [REBOL] About View "Skinz" Contest
>>I noticed the View "Skinz" Contest. It's a very good idea indeed :-)
>>2 remarks :
>>-1) Don't forget that winamp is for Window$. Many people don't use
>>Window$ but Apple or Linux or others OS with View. If you want to make
>>an Mp3 player for everybody, you can't do this specially for Window$ OS.
>>-2) About my skins : yes, I built skins for View. Everybody can use them
>>for any app. But it was a test. The code is not optimized, can contain
>>bugs, is slow on slower machines (especially complex widgets), and will
>>not run with the next View version (this version will be derived from
>>IOS with better graphical support, I presume). The net update is not
>>optimal (the best approach is to implement a sharing file system, with
>>file replication, like in IOS => this could be an interesting contest).
>>Other thing, I would like to see different implementations for skinning,
>>because I think other people could have other good ideas. Try for
>>instance the FX5 skin, the Dockimbel's Winskin, ...
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