[REBOL] How to get Rebol forward ... (was) Re: Re: SVG dialect project
From: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 27-Apr-2003 16:24
Hi Robert,
well, I would like to look at the problem from the more abstracted pov ....
>Petr, please just let's move in small steps and small visions because I
>know that you see this problem in even more global aspects ;-)). But we
>didn't made it in the small yet...
>
Ah, maybe not then :-) Well, just kidding ...
But the reason is - there is imo no community effort - it all starts by
individuals making thingX or thingY and others just join. The only
project with some level of collaboration is just VID, but it just sleeps
right now ...
There is no REBOL business except maybe RT, some of Reichart's efforts
and maybe Steve's eFishAntSea :-) So - we all do rebol as our hobby, or
just part-time job. How many developers is active on this ml? Very few
imo - so if our community is hundreds times lower than e.g. Python's,
let's not suppose we can do much.
Well, one thing is Rebol related projects, other thing is Rebol itself -
we have not seen many advancements to core technology last two years. So
- even RT itself may have limited resources so that they rather
concentrate upon port to OSx than bringing in new features, making ppl
feel afresh (do you remember that excitement when there was some
advancement did to View? :-)
So how to fix it? Can we? We can't imo ... the only thing left is to
take our little steps and proceed. We are slow and late on every front
... Look, I don't like to fail myself too - I promissed Carl to invest
my time to coordinate VID project - the thing is - there is noone to
coordinate currently ;-) Let's take e.g. Cyphre - he is now blocked for
nearly two months already, because of his main job he is paid for. That
is the reality ...
As for me, I am trying to do my small steps too. Apart from my current
job (which I leave usually at 4 - 6 hours p.m.), we slowly work towards
our products relese with Xidys, and in two weeks we hope we win the
contract for some kiosk systems + IOS based regional info system. And I
still have some books to read, concepts to outline, etc. etc. - just
where to take enough of free time?
I think that for the situation to become more vital and generating some
excitement, we imo need RT get back to more often beta releases,
incorporating various enhancements and patches done by community, adding
some core stuff, take some time for stabilisation, and go for official
release. Ppl will try new stuff, add some ideas, start new projects to
see how things work out, etc. - without the feeling of something fresh,
everything is more difficult to achieve ... Carl could e.g. set-up a
word/IOS server for various project purposes, assign coordinators, which
would organise development. Except VID, I can imagine community
rewriting protocols for e.g. to have async networking. IIRC Gabriele
e.g. expressed his willingness to go something in that regards. We
should use that potential, if available. But! - it is absolutely needed,
that someone from RT monitors such activities, encourages them ... more
than once per two months e.g. ;-)
Without basic technology advancement - there is no add-on advancement :-)
So has anyone even more "refreshing" ideas to offer, e.g. how to get
attracted more developers to use rebol? :-)
-pekr-
