[REBOL] Re: Reference docs for View
From: agem:crosswinds at: 9-Jul-2001 15:59
RE: [REBOL] Re: Reference docs for View
[Petr--Krenzelok--trz--cz] wrote:
> > 3. Well, they won't say that, merely _think_ : "What do you expect for
> > fifty bucks ... ???" (/View/Pro)
> >
> > /Command being also cheap for a professional tool. Nevertheless,
> > external library support is included in ALL of the free, open source
> > scripting languages (well, WHY hasn't the growing ambitious
> > REBOL community including me opt for Perl or Python --- it is another story,
> > though...:-)) ) and it is a sneaky marketing politics, making the
> > self-containing "hermetic" version of REBOL free and the
> > "system-connectable" one THE product. It would have been more fair
> > that they include shell access in the public version and release the
> > "industry-strength" ODBC interface in the commercial version.
> > It is wise that encryption is included not in the free but in the
> > payware /Pro versions, but the toy-level sound support as a companion ... ;-))
> >
>
> We (especially me, I am famous because of that ;-) screamed loudly some year or
> more ago that to boost rebol usage we need:
>
> - library and (or at least) shell to become part of /Core = free
> - we need dynamic loadable components (or at least some kind of key unlocking paid
> components), to allow:
> a) per component pricing - e.g. you have bought ODBC, but would like to buy native
> mySQL support
> b) while we take care of size of Rebol executable and RT seems to be carefull
> about new additions, we would not probably care of /Sound separate component being
> of some 500Kb size itself
>
the problems i see:
- you cant disconnect before downloading everything eventually
needed and go fishing with laptop.
- there is huge overhead in coding if you have check everywhere
if feature x is installed. and tell the user
thank you for buing this great script blabla for DM15.
as i see you need featrues x y z DM 123 to use it
.
somewhere on list complained he must workaround mising sound..
> As for current state of Sound being awailable only to /Pro payed version - it is
> COMPLETLY nonsense, contraproductive, as current sound capabilities are of merely
> no value to commercial developers, while making external world laugh at us to pay
> for such things as sound capabilities.
its even heavier than that. having this window open, minimized..
with sound is now standard ~everywhere, and showing colleagues
this nice new jungle-settings. :)
if rebol-scripts would be customized with nice sounds,
button "quit" play goodbye-my-friend [..]
they would get fine first-look-attention.
now for a while no scripts will be aware of that..
>I am not saying it to piss RT here, right?!
> I am saying it because that's how things are - ppl having ironic notes to Rebol -
> hey, pekr, do you need capability X? Ask Carl, maybe he will produce some
/CapabilityX for you. Ah, of course, prepare to pay for it
> . Very typical notion I
> am blind to, ask I know Rebol has great value for me - it just makes our (rebol
> promoters) lives more difficult in external (non-rebol) world ...
>
they do not use windows?! Present them the Bill..
but then, Bill does not need loyal friends who promote him.
using something silent is easier..
maybe RT should look at $large-large-large PR-investions for XP
and realize they could have (and need?) similar effects with smaller
budge if they feed their grasroots instead stumping them.
if HDC can illusion a while "net can only be programmed with clicks",
how interested will people look at LDC ?
Well, if peoples and mass are their market.
> I am not good at programming, never programmed in C - it's surely my handicap. So
> I can just speculate, if we still need some Rebol components architecture, API to
> Rebol kernel, to hook our own components in. We currently have libraries and we
> could do much with it, I just don't know if without proper knowledge of Rebol
> internals even thouse skilled enough could bring some usefull components to
> us.... but of course, I can imagine some kind of API exposed to external component
> developers, to hook in more closely into Rebol kernel architecture ...
>
> One Czech company - Humusoft, became official developer of Matlab components for
> Mathsoft, maybe Cyphre Ltd. could by future Rebol component developer for Rebol
> Technologies :-)
>
> So, enough :-)
>
> Cheers,
> -pekr-
>
-Volker
