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[REBOL] Re: MIT article on rebol and other languages

From: greggirwin:mindspring at: 18-Feb-2002 12:05

Hi Terry, << But I can't help thinking that that there's something fundamentally wrong with all languages. Instinct would tell me that dialects are on the right track. Somewhere out there must be the killer dialect. >> I think there can't be just one killer dialect. There will be hundreds, or thousands, of dialects, and that is the key. << But what intrigues me more is the lack of cooperation to accomplish ANYTHING. There is 1000 times more talk on which is the better language, then doing something truly constructive with any of em. >> Human nature maybe? << I've made numerous attempts on this list to get organized and form some think tanks or whatever, with nay a single response?? What gives? My only guess is that the Rebol community, or at least the part that actually reads these posts, is really rather small. The "law of big numbers" would have kicked in had their been a big number of readers, and someone, anyone, would have responded... surely. >> I believe there are a number of projects under development by the ML members here but, alas, many just fade away because of attrition or cirucmstance (rebmail and Glass come to mind). Ammon Johnson is working on an IDE for REBOL, Carl Read and I are hoping to find time to work on a bot-wars game kinda' thingy, Rugby, Garbriele's DBMS, Make-doc-pro, a standard library, Andrew's eText, Ladislav's higher-fun stuff, and many others. Most projects are the labor-of-love of a single person who then contributes them to the community. I don't disagree with you, though, I just don't have any answers. :) << Another example is the website. Really, an experiment in potential Reblet type commercialization... numerous posts here... and not a single sale??? I mean, theres a developer reblet there that turns any script into the world's easiest macro creation utility ever! >> Part of this may be the concerns, and confusion, over the licensing schemes and royalties that RT requires (as far as contributions go). As far as sales, I can only give you my perspective. As a developer, I tend to buy things I have a need for or am interested in. I'm not a software junkie. I just don't need a utility to sync my clock. I've tried a few batch/macro utilities and none of them ever found their way into my daily life so I'm hesitant to plunk down the money, up front, for something I think will just end up collecting dust on my disk. I might risk a few bucks, but it costs quite a bit more than that. The Agent utility is the most intriguing to me but won't provide value to anything I'm doing right now, so it would just be a "for fun" thing and I guess the cost is more than the perceived "fun value" for me. << I've taken Rebol and created a 'bot' that can read, comprehend, and answer questions on whatever it's just read (In discussions with on that one) ... developed the world's most advanced chatterbot, the world's most HAL 9000ish system on the planet to date (check out a demo conversation at and yet no one seems to care? >> I'll have to check that out, but I'm sure a lot of folks here can sympathize (including me). There are more cool REBOL tools out there than you can shake a stick at, many of which languish I'm afraid. << So I guess my question would be.. why not? But then the responses would stumble and fall back into the discussion realm with things like the "Rebol should be open source" garbage. >> Open source is a great idea, and I think most folks here would like nothing better than to make a living using a tool we love (REBOL). The trick is how to do both. Until an open source project/product has built up considerable visibility and momentum, how do you make money on it? How do you convince people that your "commercial" script provides value above and beyond freely available alternatives sight-unseen? I have pages of ideas and numerous projects in progress myself, so I'm right there with you. I think we all want REBOL to become a viable tool with which we can support ourselves, but that may take some time...and a lot of luck. --Gregg