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[REBOL] Re: Email woes on IBM/AIX Risc 6000

From: gscottjones:mchsi at: 2-Aug-2002 6:53

Hi, Ed, From: "Ed Dana"
> G. Scott Jones wrote: > >It is not obvious from what you wrote about. ... > Nope, it's not obvious from what I wrote. But then, that's my whole > problem, I'm not sure where I should start looking. :)
Sorry. I didn't mean to imply that your description was in any way inadequate or lacking. I should have written something more like that I agreed that it certainly wasn't obvious what was going on. My blunder; sorry.
> >If the email server requires "authentication" and your user name has an
> >let me know and I can dig up the patch. If you don't know if it is > >authenticating, try a telnet session, something like: > > > I don't believe that the server requires authentication. Working with > our SA, we were able to send an email on that box using a unix command > (I forget which, I'm not a unix dude), it worked fine.
I also should clarify at this point that I, too, am not a AIX/unix/*nix dude, but I played one at an improv theater once. (<<---- Attempt-At-Humor Alert ---->>) So like all good actors, then I'm probably over qualified. :-) Actually I don't think that this is an AIX issue, or I wouldn't be wasting your time. Just that in being a close follower of the list, I've noticed certain recurring patterns of problems. This one *appears* to be a requires-some-sort-of-authentication-that-is-not-fully-supported category, which can be further subcategorized into a using-a-"non-standard"-user-account-name or using-one-of-the-many-non-standardized-authenticated-smtp issues.
> >telnet > >type: > > EHLO your-client-url > >and return and wait to see if amongst the return messages you see: > >S: 250-AUTH=LOGIN > > > I'll try it, but I'm not sure what you mean by "your-client-url"? Do you > mean the url of the box I'm trying to email from? Please clarify...
I guess that was a bit nebulous. Sorry. As Anton pointed out in a separate response, it may not matter what is typed in here because many email servers will determine what it needs, namely your machine's URL, and therefore, your machine's IP. Assuming that you are emailing from within the network (which I assume you are since I cannot ping nor telnet to your server from the Internet), your client url would likely look something like "" or maybe . The email server will then get the IP address that belongs to this url. My foggy-headed understanding of this is that some email servers can be configured to only accept email from within certain subnets as a further means of avoiding the unintended hosting of a promiscuous email server (I just love that expression). Further authentication is a redunduncy added in case the url/ip has been spoofed, or authentication can be used to accept email from outside the subnet or network (like if you are working from home), in which case the url/ip is unimportant, but the user account name and password is crucial to avoid being a promiscuous email server (there's that expression again). Since you didn't mention having a user account name that includes an @ (like [myname--mydomain--dom]) and that you use (or will be using) Exchange server, then you may wish to try the hack I made April '01 for Nick Carson. In this solution, I provide two scripts that add hacked versions of the smtp scheme and the send function. Watch for line breaks. I renamed these to avoid any conflict with REBOL's official version, but can be named to overwrite the default code. As it stands, these scripts are designed to be run from a REBOL console, but can be easily rewritten to run as a /View gui. The authenticating username and password are requested from the console prompt on first use, and stored internally for the rest of the session. These values are not saved to permanent storage locally for security reasons. Please note that if this script is to be provided for multiple user use, it would be trivial to halt a script then hack and get the username and password once entered (meaning, security risk). If this is the situation, then the scripts should be changed to ask for the username/password *each time* needed. If these scripts do not work, then I would try the telnet route. From Windows, open a dos box and type in: telnet 25 After the email server responds, type EHLO your-client-url-as-discussed-above then see what returns. This return infomation will be very valuable for determining what to do next in making REBOL compatible. You may sign-off the telnet session with "QUIT" and return. (BTW, if you cannot see what you type, then in the telnet menu, click preferences, and select "local echo".) I hope I have further clarified what was evidently a less than clear explanation. I'm interested in hearing what you find. --Scott Jones