[REBOL] Re: RebGUI or GLayout
From: gchillemi:aliceposta:it at: 22-Dec-2007 0:55
> I have stopped coding in general as a hobby after the
> devcon, for many personal reasons...
> some of which have led me to a burn-out, of which I am
> currently recuperating at home, playing music, composing
> mostly, helping me hunt a few deamons out of my soul. this
> said, elixir and remark development has continued a bit and
> is about to resume in much more vigor in a (very) short while.
I have written and repeated in this mailing list that either Rebol Tech and
people in the Rebol community are humans with their own needing and
problems. Your experience and health problem (I am afraid, I know about
Burn-out and Depression for personal reasons) show clearly that we must
consider our community and Carl as part of a group. We must use the best
practice to avoid fighting and cooperate to be stronger, help each other and
be a solid foundation for the whole Rebol project and for building strong
It is now 22 years I am in the computer business. I started when I was
twelve and now I am thirty tree and I have seen a lot of projects and
companies going up and down, disappearing or resisting in this world. The
worst part of my experience was seeing people leaving communities and
abandoning very good project they have started because personal factor
accurred: depressions, lack of motivation, bad response from some people in
It is really important to me to see the people from the human point of view
to keep them high, healthy, motivated and happy to be part of something
I have written about attacks against Rebol Tech that we should not consider
it a company but a group of persons. What about if they loose the motivation
and give up the development of rebol ? I think that Carl would have all the
reasons to give up Rebol if he considered its economic side or considering
the diffusion of his language. We must do our best to support him, even in
his errors like giving us dates he can't maintain. Rebol Tech is not a giant
company where developers are only numbers and when one is gone another 2 are
there as replacement. It is Carl, Gabriele, you and other developers giving
their best to glue together this project, their personal life, their
personal economy and so on.
You are too an example of these words: it's me who called you a Guru and I
consider you this way as some other people around there. You have good
projects but you are an human and you have your own limits. Instead of
attacking you it would be better to cooperate with you and your project.
This is what I call "the positive spirit of the community".
> liquidGL(unreleased publicly):
They are a golden treasures. I would like to see them hosted on sourceforge
and people cooperating into merging LIST-VIEW and RebGui together with your
projects. You have written it is possible. I write: why don't people
> TO GIUSEPPE:
It's me !
> thank you for the genuine and honest interest. I will upload
> the latest version of all of my stuff for you on REBOL.org
> tomorrow, and I will add liquidGL and glob too.
I'll download them shortly and start studing them.
> I think doing all of the support on this list will be the
> best way to raise awareness. This should have been done
> every time a user wanted (or has) used it, in order to show
> some "activity" about it... now I know.
> Your idea about a wikibook is excellent. I would contribute
> to it, if you can get it setup and are willing to add to it
> yourself while you get to grips with GLayout (often the best
> time to document stuff, since oldies loose the sense of what
> is not obvious). Hey, if others want to join too, probably
> brian from rebol.org would too. Glayout has an internal
> function allowing to snapshot a GUI (while its running), crop
> it and save it out without need to resort to using an
> external application... this makes documentation of any
> GLayout driven application or tutorial dead easy!
I will develop the project as soon as the new year starts.
> We can also use remark, which is infact much like a wiki
> dilalect concept, but extensible and scriptable (outside of
> the page). Pages contain only content, and all the page and
> site stuff is added on the fly, even the menus are programatic.
Please, could you point me to the Remark project so I could start to learn
> Today I feel like I've been given a
> measure of recognition, and during my resting period, nothing
> could be better for my (mental) healing.
Stay away as much as you need. As I have written I know the problem and
sometime happens that the person involved won't come back into the places
and projects were the problem arised. Hope this won't be the situation but
if it will be it has been nice to have you here and I will be happy to know
you are having fun elsewere.
> have fun!
Have fun you too.