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[REBOL] [ALLY] Email and Proxies Re:(2)

From: christmn:clackamas:ds:adp at: 31-Aug-2000 11:06

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C0133B.89451CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rebol does do all that you expound on. Check out http://www.rebol.com/docs/network.html Every protocol can have its own, proxy :: port :: type :: userid:: password :: bypass rules. It appears that you are just setting your system/schemes/default/proxy settings and not defining any of the individual protocols - system/schemes/smtp/proxy, etc. In the absence of defining any individual protocol settings, rebol then uses the default settings. In addition, if you want to entirely disable proxy settings for a particular scheme, you can set the proxy settings to false. ----- Original Message ----- From: [greg_piney--mcgraw-hill--com] To: [list--rebol--com] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:14 AM Subject: [REBOL] [ALLY] Email and Proxies Re: Wrong answer. My SMTP server is 'local' on the WAN. It appears that all IP traffic gets routed to the proxy if you define it in set-net. Our cern proxy is a proxy, not a firewall. We use a 'pac' file for routing. This 'pac' file is usually loaded into the Browser as part of auto configuration. The browser can then determine which addresses are 'direct' (no proxy - on the WAN). All other addresses are sent to the proxy. This is a pretty standard setup for a large corporation. The real answer here is that Rebol should not proxy a service unless proxy is defined for that service. Especially those a 'cern' proxy doesn't handle. By default, only HTTP, FTP, and gopher should be sent to a proxy. All other services should be sent direct unless a SOCKS proxy is defined for that service. Greg Piney S&P Web Engineering Terrence Brannon <[princepawn--MailAndNews--com]> on 08/31/2000 10:45:04 AM To: Greg Piney/McGraw-Hill/[US--MCGRAW-HILL] cc: [ally--rebol--com] Subject: RE: [REBOL] [ALLY] Email and Proxies [holger--rebol--com] sent a msg to the REBOL list about 2-3 days ago stating that you cannot access external smtp servers across a cern firewall, only socks4 or socks5 Here is the URL to his archived msg. http://rebol.org/userlist/archive/315/656.html
>===== Original Message From [greg_piney--mcgraw-hill--com] ===== >[greg_piney--mcgraw-hill--com] on 08/29/2000 03:27:56 PM >Please respond to [ally--rebol--com] > > > >To: [ally--rebol--com] >cc: (bcc: Greg Piney/McGraw-Hill/US) > >Subject: [ALLY] Email and Proxies > > > > >Holger, > >I was trying to show off Rebol and ran into either a bug or my own stupidity. > >I was trying to send a simple email (one liner) to show some people >how powerful Rebol is. It failed. >After about an hour I found out why. > >I recently changed my 'user.r' to use generic (Cern) proxy. We are behind a >Netscape Proxy server. This proxy server does not allow mail out. Mail is >handled by another machine. Most mail clients do not talk to the proxy >server at all. The reason why I say this is that I changed my 'set-net' >to go to the socks server and all was well. Works like the Champ that >it is. Something tells me you need a 'proxy/noproxy' setting in SMTP. >Or, it really is some kind of bug. > >TIA, > >Greg Piney >Standard and Poor's Web Engineering
terrence-brannon: [[princepawn--yahoo--com] perl-refugee myth-gamer] free-email: http://www.MailAndNews.com free-usenet: http://www.mailAndNews.com ; all the above is real REBOL code, believe it or not. ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C0133B.89451CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=2>Rebol does do all that you expound on. Check out <A href="http://www.rebol.com/docs/network.html">http://www.rebol.com/docs/network.html</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Every protocol can have its own, proxy :: port :: type :: userid:: password :: bypass rules.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>It appears that you are just setting your system/schemes/default/proxy settings and not</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>defining any of the individual protocols - system/schemes/smtp/proxy, etc. In the absence of</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>defining any individual protocol settings, rebol then uses the default settings. In addition, if</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>you want to entirely disable proxy settings for a particular scheme, you can set the proxy settings</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>to false.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=[greg_piney--mcgraw-hill--com] href="mailto:[greg_piney--mcgraw-hill--com]">[greg_piney--mcgraw-hill--com]</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=[list--rebol--com] href="mailto:[list--rebol--com]">[list--rebol--com]</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:14 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [REBOL] [ALLY] Email and Proxies Re:</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>Wrong answer.<BR>My SMTP server is 'local' on the WAN. It appears<BR>that all IP traffic gets routed to the proxy<BR>if you define it in set-net. Our cern proxy is a<BR>proxy, not a firewall. We use a 'pac' file for<BR>routing. This 'pac' file is usually loaded into<BR>the Browser as part of auto configuration. The<BR>browser can then determine which addresses are<BR>'direct' (no proxy - on the WAN). All other addresses are<BR>sent to the proxy. This is a pretty standard<BR>setup for a large corporation.<BR>The real answer here is that Rebol should not<BR>proxy a service unless proxy is defined for that<BR>service. Especially those a 'cern' proxy doesn't<BR>handle. By default, only HTTP, FTP, and gopher<BR>should be sent to a proxy. All other services should<BR>be sent direct unless a SOCKS proxy is defined for<BR>that service.<BR><BR>Greg Piney<BR>S&amp;P Web Engineering<BR><BR>Terrence Brannon <<A href="mailto:[princepawn--MailAndNews--com]">[princepawn--MailAndNews--com]</A>
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08/31/2000 10:45:04 AM<BR><BR><BR><BR>To:&nbsp; Greg <A href="mailto:Piney/McGraw-Hill/[US--MCGRAW-HILL]">Piney/McGraw-Hill/[US--MCGRAW-HILL]</A><BR>cc:&nbsp; <A href="mailto:[ally--rebol--com]">[ally--rebol--com]</A><BR><BR>Subject:&nbsp; RE: [REBOL] [ALLY] Email and Proxies<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><A href="mailto:[holger--rebol--com]">[holger--rebol--com]</A> sent a msg to the REBOL list about 2-3 days ago stating that<BR>you cannot access external smtp servers across a cern firewall, only socks4 or<BR>socks5<BR><BR>Here is the URL to his archived msg.<BR><BR><A href="http://rebol.org/userlist/archive/315/656.html">http://rebol.org/userlist/archive/315/656.html</A><BR><BR>>===== Original Message From <A href="mailto:[greg_piney--mcgraw-hill--com]">[greg_piney--mcgraw-hill--com]</A> =====<BR>>[greg_piney--mcgraw-hill--com] on 08/29/2000 03:27:56 PM<BR>>Please respond to <A href="mailto:[ally--rebol--com]">[ally--rebol--com]</A><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>To:&nbsp; <A href="mailto:[ally--rebol--com]">[ally--rebol--com]</A><BR>>cc:&nbsp; (bcc: Greg Piney/McGraw-Hill/US)<BR>><BR>>Subject:&nbsp; [ALLY] Email and Proxies<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>Holger,<BR>><BR>>I was trying to show off Rebol and ran into either a bug or my own stupidity.<BR>><BR>>I was trying to send a simple email (one liner) to show some people<BR>>how powerful Rebol is. It failed.<BR>>After about an hour I found out why.<BR>><BR>>I recently changed my 'user.r' to use generic (Cern) proxy. We are behind a<BR>>Netscape Proxy server. This proxy server does not allow mail out. Mail is<BR>>handled by another machine. Most mail clients do not talk to the proxy<BR>>server at all. The reason why I say this is that I changed my 'set-net'<BR>>to go to the socks server and all was well. Works like the Champ that<BR>>it is. Something tells me you need a 'proxy/noproxy' setting in SMTP.<BR>>Or, it really is some kind of bug.<BR>><BR>>TIA,<BR>><BR>>Greg Piney<BR>>Standard and Poor's Web Engineering<BR><BR>terrence-brannon: [[princepawn--yahoo--com] perl-refugee myth-gamer]<BR>free-email:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A href="http://www.MailAndNews.com">http://www.MailAndNews.com</A><BR>free-usenet:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A href="http://www.mailAndNews.com">http://www.mailAndNews.com</A><BR>; all the above is real REBOL code, believe it or not.<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C0133B.89451CA0--