[REBOL] Re: Laccio Framework >> PD PureData inspiration
From: ale870:gma:il at: 22-Aug-2007 23:08
I will start to study ;-)
I will look at it, to evaluate if it could be an "inspiration" for me (I
could get the same philosophy, concepts, etc...) and implement them in
Rebol, or I could try to create a direct interface!
On 8/22/07, Jason Cunliffe <jasonic-nomadics.org> wrote:
> Alessandro Manotti wrote:
> > Hello Jason,
> > I not yet red your links (I will do as soon as possible !).
> > If I understood what you say (I'm sorry, I'm Italian, and sometimes
> > language could be not so clear for me!) you think I could implement
> > something to let the components communicate one with each other in a
> > way?
> 1) I believe PD PureData offers a superb interface metaphor/paradigm for
> your components and for Rebol3.
> 2) PD has an open source API. That means *someones* [not me alas] could
> write a Rebol interface to PD.
> Then all sorts of cool modeling could happen very quickly, including
> hopefully engaging a larger very creative community of
> programmer-musicians-experimental innovators.
> One could also join the rebol parts via PD to lots of others... yay!
> Ruby Python and other languages have been used to write PD patches. In
> general this is because people want to do something in PD and use the
> language they know and love.
> However, it can also work the other way around -- I'd call it "host
> system and interface symbiosis" ...
> The Wiki for PD API is
> and one example using that, which I just found googling is
> PDJ enables you to write java code to interact with pure-data objects.
> another ...
> mxdublin a Java/Python framework that can be used to sequence generic
> events within pure-data or max.
> uses Jython = Python implementation written in Java << ouch wow cool
> 3) The design philosophy is very familiar--- PD REBOL Laccio
> fertile ground I think.
> 4) I also imagine/hope that a PD-inspired interface could be written in
> 100% rebol -- actually R3 [rebol3] probably best.
> That would mean a light, fast, 100% rebol graphic interactive user
> interface toolkit could support inter-component inter-system
> communications and instrument building.
> beautifully so :-) -- many advantages including opening access to
> non-rebol programmers USE of such tools.
> 5) You might find this is perfect -- or too much, but inspiring none the
> less I hope.
> 6) A delightful design feature of PD is that PD files ["patches" they
> are called] are just simple TEXT files - interpreted by the PD
> environment as dynamic interface.
> You have to install and play with it to understand what I am talking
> about really. It's a rich universe and thriving community.
> But here's an example from the interactive user Manual when you install
> the software.
> 'patch' = a file called 04.messages.pd
> If you open that in PD it looks like this screen shot [but it works]
> If you open in a text editor it look just like this:
> #N canvas 0 0 595 446 12;
> #X floatatom 225 110 0 0 0 0 - - -;
> #X floatatom 184 109 0 0 0 0 - - -;
> #X msg 184 56 5 6;
> #X floatatom 132 108 0 0 0 0 - - -;
> #X floatatom 64 105 0 0 0 0 - - -;
> #X text 30 21 Most Pd messages are just numbers or short lists of numbers:
> #X msg 64 55 5;
> #X obj 64 80 + 9;
> #X obj 132 83 +;
> #X obj 184 84 unpack;
> #X msg 288 55 5;
> #X obj 288 107 print;
> #X obj 288 81 pack 34 78;
> #X msg 132 55 5 6;
> #X floatatom 195 328 0 0 0 0 - - -;
> #X obj 195 303 +;
> #X msg 195 254 1.2 3.4;
> #X msg 205 277 5 6;
> #X text 36 206 Unlike Max \, in Pd all numbers are floating point.
> Numbers whose values happen to be integers are displayed without decimal
> #X text 31 363 For more on messages \, get help on any message box
> by right-clicking.;
> #X text 329 409 updated for Pd release 0.33;
> #X text 34 149 If you send a list to an object with more than one inlet
> \, the items in the list are spread out over the inlets \, as seen
> in the 5+6 example above.;
> #X connect 2 0 9 0;
> #X connect 6 0 7 0;
> #X connect 7 0 4 0;
> #X connect 8 0 3 0;
> #X connect 9 0 1 0;
> #X connect 9 1 0 0;
> #X connect 10 0 12 0;
> #X connect 12 0 11 0;
> #X connect 13 0 8 0;
> #X connect 15 0 14 0;
> #X connect 16 0 15 0;
> #X connect 17 0 15 0;
> hope this makes sense
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