[REBOL] Re: What's native?
From: nitsch-lists:netcologne at: 22-Jun-2004 4:12
On Dienstag, 22. Juni 2004 00:14, Carl Read wrote:
> From here...
> "When Java applications are constructed with Eclipse's Standard Widget
> Toolkit (SWT) and deployed to different operating platforms, they adopt
> native window manager look and feel. On Linux Motif or the GTK, Microsoft
> Windows, Mac OS X, Photon, AIX, HP/UX platforms, and other supported
> platforms, Eclipse users can develop applications in Java with the true
> look-and-feel of the platform."
When they code at that platform. Or when the toolkit can really do magic with
design. Else each item looks very native, but the overall layout: somehow the
things dont fit together. Which is why VB has this visual gui-editor to drag
and size like with a paint-program.
> One of the complaints I receive about REBOL is it doesn't adopt the
> look-and-feel of the OS it's running on, though if it did, my complaint
> would be the program I'm using isn't consistant across platforms. So, I've
> come to believe the user should be given a choice in the matter, and
> ideally for each program they run.
My complain is,, i cant optimize the behaviour and interaction of widgets that
easily. But then i know rebol a lot better than other toolkits.
> Skins written in View offer a way to achieve this, though they'll always be
> playing catchup as the various platforms' native GUIs get improved, or
> completly re-written. This'll need to be attempted though, if REBOL is
> ever to catch on in a reasonably big way.
> And while we (well I am, anyway:) are talking about catching on, this makes
> for interesting reading...
> And especially for those who think Microsoft got where it is today mostly
> through dodgy business practices.
Aha. Well, i find it a bit confusing. For one Peoples feel forced to upgrade
and upgrade, because Office N is not compatible with Office N + 1. OTOH MS
does everything to run apps from 1983, and Joel says "see, they stay
compatible". Maybe its tricky to be compatible to both.
And then Joel says this:
(Please understand that I'm talking about large trends here, and therefore
when I say things like
nobody" I really mean "fewer than 10,000,000 people,"
and so on and so forth.)"
I guess the MSDN Magazine Camp defines "nobody" similar, and argues nobody is
using such old software. so what?
But he says too: People have no problems with all this web-apps. Which don't
have native L&F. And web-apps rule. So..
> -- Carl Read