[REBOL] Re: It's NOT Free.. (was) Re: Re: The future of Rebol - achieving criti
From: gjones05:mail:orion at: 22-May-2001 7:21
From: "Brett Handley"
> I want to produce a program for a
> company that allows three of it's
> employees to update a jobs
> webpage without them having to
> know HTML. That might imply
> three licences = USD 297 in fees.
> I'll rephrase it now. The company is
> actually my sister's and I'm the one
> who has been updating the site - for
> zilch - brotherly love. It is my way of
> contributing to her cash strapped
> company. The program will save my
> sanity though by empowering them to
> update the site themselves without
> screwing up the HTML code. I'll
> probably have to keep modifying the
> program every now and then to tweak
> it so in a sense it is still my responsibility.
> I don't feel this is commercial - feels
> more like a sentence :) - yet technically
> the benefit is to my sister's company - a
> commercial entity that will benefit from
> Rebol technology (and me) because
> otherwise it would be paying a design
> company or at least for a website editing
Ditto, I'm in exactly the same boat, except it's my wife's website, and
to some extent, auction management. My wife was recently showing a
friend how "easy" it is to run auctions and website with my scripts
(written in VB Script, PHP, Tcl, REBOL and even MS-DOS Batch). I
thought about consolidating everything into two programs all written in
REBOL. Without an inexpensive runtime the project is dead in the water,
because even if I charged nothing for my scripts, the commercial license
for the REBOL interpreter would cost more than any competing auction
management software. Maybe its time to go back to Tcl and, my nemesis,
Tk after all. :-(
> Again, maybe View/Runtime will integrate the pricing.
Yes, this may be the answer after all is said and done.
I'm like Brett in that I don't mind any person or company charging for
their "works of art." As I stated months ago, I'm a little sensitive
about spending valuable time learning a language thinking that it can be
distributed under one model, and then to find out that that is not the
case. I've expressed concerns all along that REBOL Technologies is
going to need to make some money so that they can pay their electricity
bills! Go for it! But please develop a pricing model that fits your
business plan and ethos regarding works of art. Present it in a clear
and explicit fashion and let me decide if my projects will fit in that
Like, Joel Neely, I love REBOL. I'm not bashing anything here. I
genuinely want it to suceed, meaning the language becomes more widely
recognized and that the REBOL Tech coffers go into positive cash flow.
I may want all that, but I may still find that REBOL itself is not the
right environment for my little mini projects I do for family and
friends to assist their personal and business computing needs because of
its licensing scheme.
My longer term vision is to develop a specialized dialect that could be
used within much larger projects. In this scenario, almost any
reasonable licensing scheme would represent a negligible part of the
overall project. However, that is in the future and is not the scenario
that is currently bugging me.
(stage directions: Scott slowly steps off soap box, wondering if any of
the above made any sense. Exit stage left.)