[REBOL] Re: REBOL & Flash/Shockwave
From: rebol-list2:seznam:cz at: 9-Dec-2002 20:37
Thursday, December 5, 2002, 6:46:07 PM, you wrote:
CaR> Cyphre writes:
>>>.... moreover this would push Rebol into
>>>nowadays real multimedia spheres or even to 3D game and entertainment and
>>>kill all current popular and monopolistic giants like Macromedia Flash,
CaR> As an old multimedia guy myself (Amiga, American Multimedia, Videostream,
CaR> Bay, ABC TV,
CaR> PBS TV, etc.), there's nothing I'd rather see than REBOL/media!
CaR> However, I'd like to ask the group: doesn't Flash totally dominate this
CaR> area? What problems
CaR> does Flash have that would allow REBOL to gain a foothold? Would anyone
CaR> accept it?
Today I spend all day working with the Flash. Flash is good for
cartoons, but if you need to make complex application, it's like a
hell. I'm working with Flash already several years but I always find
myself lost in the deep structures... you have 2 lines of the action
script in this movie, then you go to totaly other movie/button just to modify
one line of code and so on. It's possible to do it if it's not too
complex and if you don't need to work with movies, that are loaded
from other files (it's neccesary if you don't want to have one huge
file) I will try to make it short, if you make a mistake somewhere there is
almost no change to find where, because you don't see any error
messages, you only see that something is not working as should have...
it's a hell, you need to searche all these movies and search where the
problem can be... if you find it and you think your app. is working,
you try to publish it as version MX just because you want to detect
screen size.... it's working, but then you make a projector (exe file)
and it's not working...aach... why? I still don't know and I think
that it will be enough to stay with the version 5.
About the MX UI try to put one checkbox to an empty movie and publish
it, you will find out that it's 18kB .swf file -> The prototyping of
user components seems to be so complicated even for me (I was not able
to understand it yet)
About Flash bitmaps.... I still don't know, why there is left and top
pixel of the placed bitmap doubled! It;s almost imposible to get pixel
precision for small bitmaps. If you don't need bitmaps and use more
vector graphic, the speed is going rapidly down.
About the embedded movies, I was trying to do it with mpg which has
240MB and my computer was totaly down. In the Flash doc. is written,
that it's possible just to link movies (so they are not in the SWF)
but I was not able to do it as well, maybe I had bad movie format. The
QuickTime MOV which I have from Quicktime sample was refuced that
it's a bad file.
About connectivity, there is large limitation of it (from security reasons),
you can use XMLSocket but only with ports >= 1024 so the is no chance
to connect to telnet or irc as I can do it with Rebol. There is also
security limitation to load movies from other domain then where the root
What I like on Flash is that it's using only 7MB of my RAM even if I
have really large scene (all the R-mud world). It must be cached somewhere.
So... I think there is REAL chance for Rebol to get some place in the
CaR> I'm open minded, but I need some feedback from the group on this one.
CaR> Please keep it short
CaR> and to the point so I can afford the time to read it. Thanks.
hmm... it's not so short, sorry but I'm really frustrated of today's
Hope, there will be one day Rebol/Media with Rebol which will be able
to speak (as an old Amiga was able to)
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