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Group: Ann-Reply ... Reply to Announce group [web-public]
I used http://blogsearch.google.com/-- searched for REBOL and sorted 
by date to see the most recent.
Hmm.  Anton has shifted sites 4x in recent years ... !
btiffin: Looks like I updated Wine from the winehq site late November, 
so I've got a pretty recent version.
Group: !AltME ... Discussion about AltME [web-public]
Until the recent REBOL.net crashes I assumed the IOS servers I was 
using had proper backup. I learned otherwise [If we want to continue 
this, we could swap to an IOS group]
Gabriele -- I think I have a more relaxed definition of distributed.

it should have been possible to recreate all the public stuff (as 
Brock says) by reclaiming more recent messags from some of the more 
trsuted clients.

Private messages would be a little harder -- but stil not impossible 
with the right recovery code.

**ALL** the data still existed somewhere. Altme failed to re-collect 

The present set up seems totally fragile.  Dependant on a single, 
central server. That's so 20th Century :-)
you do know if you click on the "M" the most recent is at the top...
I have two altme clients open on two computers (XP & RH)  on my desk 
right now and the last  message in the "tech news"  on XP is Prkr 
from May 26, the laso on the red hat is Reichart from a few minutes 
ago. both computers are on the same university subnet with fast connections. 
I have tried the dot trick, and stopping and restarting the altme 
on xp to try and force it to pick up the more recent messages
without sucuess.
It looks to me like new people who join this world are not automatically 
made members of private groups. In fact, they probably won't even 
know what private groups exist,

But, equally, the members of private groups have no easy way of telling 
who the recent world members are, so it is often hard to review them 
for potential membership.
Is there a way to resolve that?
Regarding crash on recycle .. I don't think that bug exists in recent 
builds.  Has anyone seen it in a recent build??
it is FF. I am no Vista. With my former notebook, I had one problem, 
where FF was chosen, but Vista still kept IE and it could not be 
deselected (and I am local admin). With my recent notebook, I simply 
have FF registered ....
I clicked Custom, then FireFox - there are three options in there 
- Use recent browser, IE, FF .... even if FF is "default browser" 
for my OS, I had to specifically click it here, and now AltME opens 
FF finally! Strange thing is, that when I now return back to the 
same menu, once again Use recent browser is selected, but FF is now 
used ....
We need more testing.  Although the recent blog entry may change 
things a little we need lots of grunt test case wrting.   They are 
built around a test engine that loads the cases, so these are not 
standalone scripts.
Anyone ever seen a "Too Many Recent Servers" error when attempting 
to start a world? And is the limit 5 or 3 worlds running on a single 
Group: RAMBO ... The REBOL bug and enhancement database [web-public]
I've tried the recent linux alpha on Fedora Core 2 (redhat) and it 
works great - seems to be a debian base issue - has anyone tried 
it on a sarge build?  I've tested an old woody build and a new woody 
build with the same hang result.
[unknown: 10]:
With rebview (linux) im getting sometimes this during 
startup -> 
Type "desktop" to start desktop.
WARNING: CALL function enabled in this version.
To see most recent beta changes, type: changes?
>> REBOL console error (1)
REBOL console error (1)
REBOL console error (1)
REBOL console error (1)
REBOL console error (1)
Cal found a fun little bug with Select/Skip when using it on a string. 
 Here's the shortest code snippet that we've come up with to reproduce 
the problem.  Only copy and paste this into a console session that 
you don't mind killing cause it is going to lock up...  Tested on 
Win2K with the latest stable release, Command and recent betas...

select/skip {"<a><mm></mmmmf>"} "foo" 2
This is a rebol error message - "*** Boot Error %d" appears in a 
recent rebview.exe - but I think the error code 951 is being passed 
to rebol from an OS call.
Group: Core ... Discuss core issues [web-public]
sort/compare/all/skip  -- will crash earlier versions of REBOL...One 
reason not to use blocks.
It should work with recent versions.  Is that your problem, Petr?
recent versions will not complain in this case (GET accepts NONE 
(needs recent rebol for the [integer!]-part)
Hve you tried the
function -- available in recent versions of REBOL?

PRINT  (global)

In the most recent Rebol/Core 2.6 (date)
First appeared in Rebol/Core 0.005 alpha (date)

Passed all 12 unit tests on [30 versions of rebol]. (See [unit tests])


PARSE  (global)

In the most recent Rebol/Core 2.6 (date)
First appeared ...

Passed all 34 unit tests on [14 versions of rebol]. (See [unit tests])
difference in recent versions will subtract dates and times
Group: Script Library ... REBOL.org: Script library and Mailing list archive [web-public]
I think Ingo means letting the ML know what's happening on REBOL.org. 
But isn't that the case already with the "[REBOL.org] Recent changes" 
As Reichart says somewhere, Altme REBOL3 is great for quick problem 
solving. But you have to find it first. Like most of the REBOLsphere 
it is close to invisible

(eg eFishAnt's recent serach for a REBOL hex editor. They exist: 
but can you find them?)

REBOL.org is just about the only exception to the invisibleness of 
the REBOLsphere -- try looking in Google for
   script library
as an example.
I haven't had time to review your recent handiwork, and may not until 
after next week. If you don't get any response, ping again here as 
a reminder, and thanks for all your hard work Brian.
Group: View ... discuss view related issues [web-public]
'line-list is only used on "long 'text" face (more than 200 chars 
IIRC). Be carefull with it.

'span was used in View 1.2.1 to set a pixel ratio (zoom) between 
'offset, 'size and correspondng real screen values. I think recent 
beta/alpha does not care of it.

'saved-area is considered if  value is 'true IIRC.

'action is checked by 'feel function, so can be used if 'feel does 
not care of.

'data depends of  'feel too.

'type could be used. Only 'layout or other VID functions use it AFAIK
Group: I'm new ... Ask any question, and a helpful person will try to answer. [web-public]
I know I've been around for a while, but it's been so long since 
I submitted anything to the REBOL.org script library that all the 
rules have changed. So I'm new again :(

What headers should I add to the script to integrate it into the 
script library? I'd like to BSD license it - how do I indicate that? 
Are there any other headers that are necessary? How do I indicate 
that a minimum version of REBOL is required (Core compatible, but 
I use a few recent features)?

This is related to an extended version of the compress-source function 
I made for the Canvas section.
Thanks.  These files are getting better with more recent versions 
of Cisco IOS but sometimes trial and error is the only way to find 
the formats used.
Group: Make-doc ... moving forward [web-public]
ha displace them oki like in recent text editors yes why not but 
I don't have the most little idea of how to concretise this ...
Ashley thank you very mutch for the tips ;) I will work on special 
adaptation to MDP format requirement on the redering process. Option 
tu use makedoc 2  sure but in this case your cute MD2IDE will be 
deprecated and I  doesn't want that... MDP and MD2 have similar form 
but diferent kind of rendering processs. I don't want to make a monster 
application ... I want to make a quick usefull little GUI to write 
aesyly MDP formated programs with lot of automation like save on 
quit, recent file list, etc...
Group: PDF-Maker ... discuss Gabriele's pdf-maker [web-public]
do you think that /Encoding /Differences [
200 /Ccaron
232 /ccaron

doesn't work because it's PDF-1.3  and in that example it's PDF 1.6, 
maybe this is more recent feature?
Group: MySQL ... [web-public]
It looks like the MySQL driver he's using is too old for his MySQL 
server. He should try with the latest version for newer servers: 

I haven't made it official as it does not work for older servers 
IIRC, and I also never found the time to fully test it with more 
recent ones.  But it should work correctly.
Group: Syllable ... The free desktop and server operating system family [web-public]
ABrowse is based on a recent version of the KHTML rendering engine 
from KDE's Konqueror
The previous ready-made VMware image was rather old. Combined with 
the recent release of the free player by VMware this means that a 
lot more people can evaluate Syllable who are not ready to install 
it on bare metal yet
He has a recent enough processor that it has virtualization extensions, 
so VirtualBox isn't bad on it.
However, if you can get VMware or a recent QEmu, Syllable has a video 
driver for it that makes a big difference
Group: Linux ... [web-public] group for linux REBOL users
Did you see Tim Johnson's recent messages on the ML?
To do 1, it may help to use this console command after an install.

 alias recent='find . -type f -printf '\''%TY-%Tm-%Td/%TT %p\n'\'' 
 | sort'
Sorry to hear you've been attacked, Graham.

I hope it is not too much work to get it all back together....Don't 
work all night!

Looks like it was not personal -- just some automated tools seeking 

You seem to be on a fairly recent version of Apache, but that does 
mean you may be some months behind on the security patches:
As for OpenVPN - I don't know - it is kind of "recent" addition, 
as community screamed for it. There is l2tp, pptp, ppoe and I use 
simple pptp ....
PS: This is the most recent from the ubuntu website.
Group: CGI ... web server issues [web-public]
<<Which version of core should I use>>

Use the most recent Core version that is supported on Red Hat and 

That way. you'll hit the least code incompatibilites when testing 
Group: !Readmail ... a Rebol mail client [web-public]
Though many scripts in the Library are just one script file plus 
one documentation file. That doesn't need to be a package:

The documentation can be in Makedoc or Makedoc2 format (plus some 
other formats too, like Nicomdoc)
You would REALLY want to upgrade Exchange to the most recent version. 
 A lot has been improved in 6 years.
Nicolas, try this:
do http://www.rebol.cz/~cyphre/scripts/r2/toys/imap-cli.r

this is very simple CLI for access to google IMAP server (others 
should work too).

Once you run it you can just type at thh prompt IMAP commands. Snippet 
of example session:

Script: "IMAP CLI in REBOL" (none)
{* OK Gimap ready for requests from 27if531665fxm.20
IMAP>>login user pass

A0001 OK [user-:-gmail-:-com] authenticated (Success)
IMAP>>examine inbox
{* FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen)
* 5989 EXISTS
* OK [UIDNEXT 70472]
A0002 OK [READ-ONLY] inbox selected. (Success)

Hope this can be useful...
Group: AGG ... to discus new Rebol/View with AGG [web-public]
Do recent /Commands include AGG already?
wondering what the 'dot' is that appears on the right side of the 
 divider over the menu item  "File > Recent Files"?
Group: Web ... Everything web development related [web-public]
I still work faster on vi(m) than nvu.. have tried that in a recent 
project... old habits die hard
Group: Announce ... Announcements only - use Ann-reply to chat [web-public]
Graham, Brock and Sunanda pointed me to have posted a wrong URL pointing 
to old versions of the files.
So here are the working ones:



These really should point to the most recent files in version 0.1.8 
now. Sorry, Graham and Brock (and potentially others, too) for the 
confusion I caused.
From a suggestion by Christopher Ross-Gill (thanks Chris!):

-- REBOL.org's RSS feed now has the most recent posts from the AltME 
REBOL3 world

-- You can also see the most recent posts on the website, via this 

By default, both show the most recent 100 posts. You can set your 
own value between 0 and 255 -- more details below.

See the RSS help page for more details:


http://www.rebol.org/aga-search.r?q=//recent==> most recent 
100 posts by default

http://www.rebol.org/aga-search.r?q=//recent:200   ==> most recent 
200 posts

Slightly more information here:

Please let me know the problems!
Since there is a lot of silence in recent days on this AltME world 
Pekr persaded me to put one announce here:

I'd like to announce important milestone in my personal(occasional 
weekend hobby ;)) JITteR project developement that has just been 
achieved yesterday.

JITteR is lightweight REBOL dialect that enables running JIT compiled 
functions directly from REBOL interpreter.

Such JIT compiled functions can be tens to hundreds times faster 
than REBOL equivalent code.

Usage of JITter is aimed on graphics routines, compressors, codecs, 
generators, number crunching algorithms and various other time-critical 
programming tasks.

The main idea of this project is not to clone all REBOL functionality 
but maintain compatibility in sense of JITteR -> REBOL way so any 
code written in JITteR can be executed(fallback) as plain REBOL function! 
without the need of touching the code.

Currently only REBOL2 version is being tested and x86 CPUs are supported. 
But R3 and other CPUs will be added in later stages of the developement.

Licensing is not yet decided (until the project reach full Alpha 
stage). But the code will be definitely free for non-commercial usage.

Since this release is only 'internal' I hope this announces doesn't 
sound to much 'vaporwarish' :-)

Alpha release is planned to be released to closed group of developers 
in ~2 months.
Feel free to leave any feedback in the Ann-Reply group or PM me.

project features log:

JITteR v0. (pre-Alpha version internal release) - 16-May-2010


- currently only x86 32-bit CPU assembly supported (other CPUs planned 
in Beta stage)

- datatype support: image!, binary!, string!, integer!, decimal!, 
char!, logic! 
- path! lookup support on binary!, image!, string! byte arrays
- math operations: +,-,*,/,<,>,<=,>=,=
- boolean operations: NOT, AND, OR, XOR
- parens support: REBOL-like code evaluation precedence

- supported keywords (REBOL compatible): APPLY(currently on JITTer 
Group: SDK ... [web-public]
That's the latest one I use officially. There was/is a 2.6 Core beta 
I think, more recent, but not View. A new official SDK is a highly 
requested item.
Graham, multiple data streams are how Mac files are stored on Windows 
servers. Also, some antivirus programs use the extra streams for 
storing checksum data, some viruses for storing their payload, the 
system for storing file metadata, and various applications for obscure 
reasons. Any file copy program that ignores multiple data streams 
does so at the user's peril. Since there are few such programs written 
in REBOL (Carl's recent blog post notwithstanding), the lack of data 
stream support in REBOL isn't much of a problem for now.
Not always, just in recent years.
Group: !RebGUI ... A lightweight alternative to VID [web-public]
hmm.  this recent version seems buggy.
The recent downloads just contain updates and not the images.
was it discussed here before? Why recent Rebgui version takes 15MB? 
Playing a bit with demo and it is now 19,5MB after few minutes of 
usage ...
Group: !Uniserve ... Creating Uniserve processes [web-public]
Uniserve is not usable with recent async Core. It use the "old" async 
port system.
I have a much more recent version of UniServe almost ready to release, 
but docs are not updated and some of the protocols are still alpha. 
But with the current interest in UniServe, I'm thinking about releasing 
a beta version here this week.
I tried to contact him few days ago, and asked him for some more 
recent version. I somehow believe, that if he really uses it for 
his own stuff, he has to have some things fixed already :-)
Yes, the most recent version is newer httpd service which is called 
Cheynne :)
on-write is dissabled in the recent versions. Why?
Group: XML ... xml related conversations [web-public]
More recent and up-to-date (and used by the french community) is 
RUn : http://rebol-unit.sourceforge.net/
Group: DevCon2005 ... DevCon 2005 [web-public]
So it should work in recent versions of most open-source players. 
MPlayer, VLC, theoretically even Syllable...
Group: Rebol School ... Rebol School [web-public]
We should check if it was in the rest of the 2.7 series - 2.7.6 is 
recent, but 2.7.5 is 2 years old.
Well, if you assume that your internal storage method is one which 
just needs to be "converted" to an other, like CSV => XML, you might 
be in for a suprise when trying to model a real time dynamic system 
with Undo like a paint program with a file format as export.

For example, do you store a given object once, with the history of 
the object elsewhere, or do you store the object together, with the 
most recent at the top of the list.

Also, Do you store objects, and actions, or both togther.
It may have changed in recent version. Let me check...
Group: rebcode ... Rebcode discussion [web-public]
An optimizer does just the opposite: It converts the literal offset 
to a kind of virtual label statement (the difference being that the 
virtual one takes no space in the code); then after code insertions 
or deletes have happened, it changes the offsets to their new values, 
just like rerunning the fixup phase of the assembler. Of course optimizations 
like this can get a little more complicated when you have branch 
targets calculated at runtime - this was probably why they added 
BRAB and removed BRAW in the recent release, replacing general branch 
calculations with a simple lookup table.
Group: RT Q&A ... [RT Q&A] Questions and Answers to REBOL Technologies [web-public]
Hi .... with recent Rebcode releases, we can see that internally 
new Core is marked as 2.7 and View is marked as 1.4 Is it just working 
"title" or will those products be marked as that? And if so, can 
we know, what other changes will go for 1.4 View release target? 
Will there be any AGG fixes/additions (to support SVG RebGUI progress), 
or even VID changes? I still think, that VID is missing few fine 
styles as tab, group-box, better list as was introduced on IOS Developer's 
server, (eventually tree, menu), to allow novices to start using 
VID/View more productively. Any chance RT can tell us, what is the 
plan for 1.4 release?
Q: What does the world on Nov-15-2005 look like?

A: Our main goal is to get REBOL into the hands of more users, not 
just programmers and techies.... by the millions over time.  By doing 
that, we create a market for not only handy free REBOL apps, but 
also for commercial apps and entire businesses that are related to 

Q: Given that  window transparency is OS specific, will there be 
a dialect that covers both Windows, Linux and 40+ other OS?  In other 
words, does RT plan on continued support of so many languages, or 
are we entering a new era of specific OS support?

A: Our plan is to make that a window option that is part of the face/options 
for a window.  If an OS does not support this mode, then the option 
will be ignored, but the application will still be fully functional.

Q: I hope it is still valid that cooperation with RT is possible. 
I mean - last few weeks I play with some Win32 functions (thanks 
to Gregg) and I would like we would have proper app behavior in multi-monitor/multi-desktop 
environments .... so I wonder if any SIGs will be created, some ppl 
will be invited to participate, comment etc., or if RT is gonna cook 
it all themselves?

A: Yes, there are many such special interest projects currently going 
on. (Most of them are occurring via private projects in AltME and 
IOS.)  These days 90% of REBOL changes are done in cooperation with 
the REBOL community.

Q: Hi .... with recent Rebcode releases, we can see that internally 
new Core is marked as 2.7 and View is marked as 1.4 Is it just working 
"title" or will those products be marked as that? And if so, can 
we know, what other changes will go for 1.4 View release target? 
Will there be any AGG fixes/additions (to support SVG RebGUI progress), 
or even VID changes? I still think, that VID is missing few fine 
styles as tab, group-box, better list as was introduced on IOS Developer's 
server, (eventually tree, menu), to allow novices to start using 
VID/View more productively. Any chance RT can tell us, what is the 
plan for 1.4 release?

A: Regarding 2.7 and 1.4 question: we change the revision numbers 
(the second number) whenever there is a major change in REBOL that 
may be unstable.  The /core 2.7 kernel (that is in /view 1.4 as well) 
adds new datatypes to REBOL, and they are the first datatypes added 
in several years, so we consider this to be a major change, and marked 
it that way.
Yes, we do plan to be making a few AGG fixes very soon.

Oh, and regarding VID: we plan to be making very big changes there. 
More to come soon.

Q: Could you add struct! support to /Core?

I keep on having situations that would be made much easier by struct! 
when I don't need libraries. For instance, conversions from external 
binary data encodings to internal REBOL values, say for file formats, 
network protocols and so on. Now rebcode has added other forms of 
strong typing like the type-specific opcodes and the vectors. Having 
structs with their constrained field types, their specific data layouts, 
would be a perfect match for the low level operations of rebcode. 
They would be helpful later when implementing your own data types 
as well.

A: On structs: yes, we will enable this feature on core, but it should 
only be used for lower level code.  Objects are more powerful.

Q: Could you add an APPLY opcode to rebcode?

    apply: ["Apply function or path to arguments, save result" word! 
    word! | path! block!]

In rebcode:
    apply x f [arg1 arg2 ...]
Is equivalent to this in REBOL:
    x: do f arg1 arg2 ...

The advantage to doing function calls this way is that the arity 
of the opcode is fixed, even if the arity of the function called 
can't be known ahead of time. The value assigned to the function 
word could be either a function or a path, or for efficiency you 
could have a seperate opcode APPLYP for path values (I'd prefer just 
one opcode for generality but it's your call).

A: I'm not sure what is meant by the path for it. You mean for refinements?
That may actually slow down the apply interface.
Web-public already ---- True, but only for a month or three, depending 
on the Q&A rate.

shows only the most recent 300 messages.....Many web-public groups 
have "lost" a lot of valuable discussions that way. A more permanent 
and Google-friendly home is needed for much of this.
Group: Windows/COM Support ... [web-public]
Robert, on a recent project my app creates an xml file formatted 
with xml that Excel understands. It's a hassle but you can make very 
pretty spreadsheets that do just about all the formatting (so it's 
a far cry from CSV). I start with creatinga very small excel spreadsheet 
then saving as an xml file. Then I check out how they do the formatting. 
You can create multiple tabbed spreadsheets very easily this way. 
Doesn't do graphs though.
Group: Tech News ... Interesting technology [web-public]
A recent CDC study shows that less than a third of U.S. hospitals 
use electronic medical records, a situation that had dangerous repercussions 
in the chaos following Hurricane Katrina. It won't be easy--or cheap--to 
establish a secure, nationwide network that puts test results and 
prescriptions online, and allows national disease trends to be tracked. 
President Bush has proposed a $125 million budget for 2006 to develop 
EMR programs.
Pekr, I guess my reaction was due to this comment "Good old Jaime 
adheres to hype :-)", this is simply  not true. I recommended Rails 
because I liked the productivity boost that I got in a recent project, 
not because of its popularity.  I  have read about different Programming 
Languages and found that  each one  has its strengths and its weaknesses. 
But independent of this you can always learn a new technique that 
will expand your horizons..
OpenGL 3 announced - recent news on OSNews.com
I remember when Pentiums were the new Black, it was said the Colossus 
emulator (in C under windows, I guess) was far slower than the real 
thing (specialist hardware designed for the task on a war economy 

Looks like better languages, more modern hardware and (crucially) 
more recent algorithms means the Colossus can be finally retired:

I see that UNICON ( the language ) if yet to move to UNICODE in spite 
of its strong string handling and back-tracking features (co-routines, 

There are remarkable similarities to REBOL ( ignoring its use of 
keywords such as &pos )
A recent variant is converge from Lawrence Tratt

Of course there is a big ISP named UNICON and someone has a DSL named 

There is supposed to be a MAC version of ICON called PRO ICON ... 
I couldn't find it

My latest urban myth: that the name REBOL evolved from IDOL, the 
ICON pre-processor ( SNOBOL, ICON, IDOL, REBOL )
Group: !REBOL3-OLD1 ... [web-public]
Volker - then any new concept addition will ruin rebol for you, as 
you will have to learn it ... View is gonna be overhauled too - changes 
to face and who knows what .... from recent blogs, I can only see 
positives in getting them. I have a trust in Carl and that he is 
going to do those things in sensitive way ...
Group: Postscript ... Emitting Postscript from REBOL [web-public]
But remember they'll only see the most recent 300 messages.

So the more popular a group is, the less the public can see of it.

Maybe we need a [web-archive] flag too for groups that will be published 
in full [reply in chat as this is off-topic for postscript)
Group: Plugin-2 ... Browser Plugins [web-public]
Is there any point in the REBOl.org Script Library supporting the 
plugin any more?

There are 15 scripts that are tagged as runable in the plugin. But 
none of them do in recent browers.
Group: !Liquid ... any questions about liquid dataflow core. [web-public]
rebol is a pretty closed language in the sense where there isn't 
much room to change rebol itself.  you can obviously replace functions, 
but not the real heart of the engine, the datatypes.  Other languages 
like python let you have access to the complete internals of the 
language.   This is often related to class usage, for which it is 
easier to provide hooks and callbacks. 

rebol is a language which doesn't promote objects as the core paradigm, 
its much closer to imperative programming than most "recent" languages. 
  R3 was/is? supposed to let us build our own datatypes, and has 
been reported as eventually providing for some level of accessors 
for objects.   This will make it easier to integrate tools like liquid 
Group: !Cheyenne ... Discussions about the Cheyenne Web Server [web-public]
Thanks for your code, I'll give it a try. Btw, IE has 85% market 
share (according to a recent article on osnews.com).
Marteen: for static 1ko files on a recent hardware, it should be 
around  500+ req/s.
Sorry, no diff file list. You can update just the files having a 
more recent timestamp.
Do you think you could add keepalive facilities to the service dll, 
where it could monitor the Cheyenne process and restart it if it 
shuts down? That could really help - I have admired that facility 
in recent malware.
If you need the HTTP client for Uniserve, just let me know, I have 
a much more recent unreleased version that should work better than 
the old one in Uniserve 0.9.9.
2. This one http://www.rebol.org/view-script.r?script=sqlite3-protocol.r
should work with RSP's DO-SQL, but untested. You still have the option 
to bypass RSP's DB layer to use any driver you like as you would 
in a normal script. Just remember that your code will be executed 
in several processes, so you can't rely on global words, nor assume 
that opening the connection just once will be enough...

Btw, doesn't SQLite have issues with write accesses from multiple 
processes? I've read that each process has to synchronize with others 
for write operations because SQLite don't provide such layer. Is 
this still true with recent SQLite version?  (Maybe I've just misunderstood, 
I have no experience using SQLite).
The recent release build. Nothing shows up in the logs. I'll try 
verbose mode.
Group: DevCon2007 ... DevCon 2007 [web-public]
only that, at least with recent 2.6+ linux threading, processes are 
far more expensive to create and to switch between
Group: !CureCode ... web-based bugtracking tool [web-public]
[unknown: 9]:
Good reasons, and I agree, the best way to do this.
We nee da universal XML export import with ID compare.  

In other words, CureCode needs to be able to export itself as XML 
It needs to import XML (Easy)

It needs to import XML and update the old XML keying on some ID value. 
 Not so easy.

Once done, building things like RSS feeds with just the top 10 recent 
changes becomes easy.

Also, then we can sync Qtask and CureCode.  There are a lot of cool 
side effects though…

-	We have an integrated file share, so you can link to screen shots.
-	Qtask has the ability to have conversation about each issue.
-	You can throw your issues onto a calendar view.

I know this is not your concern right now, but this is the direction 
we are going in, and need to learn how to best allow this type of 
integration.  Much as you have made one thing to test another, we 
have the same problem constantly.
That's a bug in RSP framework fixed in a more recent Cheyenne version. 
I'll upgrade CureCode's server tonight.
When I did a search for "return", I got duplicate entries in the 
results. If it matters, I was on the "Recent Changes" preset beforehand.
When I first go in as anonymous, the filter used is the last one 
I was using (usually "Recent Changes"), but the one displayed in 
the Filter box is the first one ("Most Recent Reports"). I like the 
last-filter-used behavior, and wish the Filter box reflected it.
I would like to propose some enhancements:

- having to manually always select particular ticket-view category 
and project name in changelog section, becomes kind of denerving, 
once you have to do it several times a day

- hence I propose to extend user-profile settings, where we can preselect 
such things. If it is more complicated effort, I vote to change default 
ticket view from "my tickets" to "most recent reports" one
The default ticket view for anonymous login shows up as Most Recent 
Reports in the dropdown box, but is actually Recent Changes. The 
first thing I check when going in anonymously is Recent Changes, 
but either default would be fine if the dropdown and display matched.
For a long while, "Most Recent Reports" and "Recent Changes" produced 
identical results here, but works properly now. Is that part of the 
fixes above?
Group: DevCon2008 (post-chatter) ... DevCon2008 [web-public]
Hi James,

I've got 20 rooms set up already that I use to do live online music 
lessons on a daily basis.  I think the existing format of those rooms 
could work very well as they stand.  I'll create a special room just 
for Rebol Devcon.  I'd like to show you what I've got, to see if 
it'd work for your needs.  The audio/video conference software works 
on PC/Mac/Linux, in any browser that has a fairly recent version 
of the flash plugin installed (I believe version 6 onward will work 
- 8+ will definitely work).  Aside from flash, there's no installation 
required to use the system - just go to the designated web page. 
 It will allow anyone in the room to take turns jumping onto the 
mic/camera to speak (admin can ban unwanted users), there's a text 
chat, and I've got a really simple way of sharing screen shots already 
installed in the existing room setup.  It should take only a minute 
or 2 to show presenters how it works...

I've being doing daily live online music lessons as a part of my 
commercial music lesson business for the past 4.5 years, and this 
system is the most stable and simple that I'm aware of.  It'll work 
through just about any router/firewall configuration, and it's dead 
simple to use - visitors just go the url, and they'll hear and see 
the speaker.  If they want to be seen on camera and speak, they just 
need to have a web cam and microphone installed and working.  If 
flash is running in the browser, it'll work immediately, no download 
or installs to do.

There's a video that I send to students which explains a little about 


The online lesson page for my business, which has basic info about 
web cams, microphones, and headphones, is here:


Please let me know if you have any questions :)

> If someone will email me personally, I can start putting together 

> suggestions about how to organize and manage the presentation. 
 I need

> to get an idea of what sort of software components will be needed: 

> white board, text chat, file sharing, 1-to-many/many-to-many video 

> conferencing, etc...  I'd also need to get a close estimate beforehand

> of the number of people attending, to make sure I prepare enough 

> bandwidth and available connections for the live event (If you'd 

> I've got a little Rebol sign-up script that I use in my business 

> let people sign up for events, you're welcome to use that if you'd 

> like, to help organize things).  Please let me know whenever you 
get a 
> chance!
> - Nick Antonaccoio
anything that runs recent flash plugin
If we try to make this a bi-yearly event, atleast one virtual and 
another live event (or both virtual), it might make it better suited 
for people to prepare for and show some of their recent work, finished 
or not.  The talks don't have to be major pieces or an hour plus 
in length, but could simply demonstrate a concept of interest to 
a group of newbies or some of the advanced rebolers, 15 - 30 minutes. 
  I'd really like to see some simple demos of Max's work and Oldes 
Flash dialectt o see these tools "make a difference", not to mention 
countless others.
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