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[#Red] Red language group

BrianH
4-Sep-2012
[1564]
Doc, pardon me because I don't know what the intended datatype model 
is for Red. Something like the REBOL datatype/action model could 
be used to implement the different underlying string encodings that 
you want in-memory support for. Each supported encoding would have 
its own set of action handlers, which would all have the same external 
interface. Swapping the encoding would be as simple as swapping the 
handler set. Resolving the difference at compile time could be similar 
to generic type instantiation, or C++ template generation.
Kaj
4-Sep-2012
[1565]
The datatype code that's committed so far seems to go that way
DocKimbel
4-Sep-2012
[1566x2]
Brian: implementing an abstraction layer over string encodings is 
a trivial task. The intended datatype model is very similar to REBOL's 
one, even more since recentl,y as I moved to an hybrid dynamic/static 
type system. I'll commit the new code in a few days, so you'll see 
how close to REBOL it can be.


I hope that this hybrid model will help us get the best of both worlds.
*recently,
DocKimbel
5-Sep-2012
[1568]
Got my first real Red program working: 
    Red [] print 1
outputs:
    1


It doesn't look like much, but it validates the compiler + runtime 
from end to end, and at this point, it's really cool! FYI, the native 
PRINT here triggers a FORM (action) on the passed argument. No REDUCE 
yet (not implemented).
james_nak
5-Sep-2012
[1569]
Congratulations Doc. That is so cool. Really!
DocKimbel
5-Sep-2012
[1570]
Thanks James!
Janko
5-Sep-2012
[1571]
Wow!!! awesome .. from print "hello worl" to print "<html>...</html>" 
to make webapps is not that long way, I was just afraid you would 
never get to RED, Awesome!
AdrianS
5-Sep-2012
[1572]
Yeah! Way to go!
Gregg
5-Sep-2012
[1573]
Congratulations Doc! This is a great day.
GrahamC
5-Sep-2012
[1574x2]
A milestone
( kilometre in France )
Sunanda
5-Sep-2012
[1576]
+1 for Red :)
Henrik
6-Sep-2012
[1577]
Congratulations, doc. :-)
sqlab
6-Sep-2012
[1578]
This gives hope
Endo
6-Sep-2012
[1579]
Cool! Another 30€ for the good news :)
Jerry
6-Sep-2012
[1580x2]
Wooow.. Wooow... Did I hear the crying of a baby... I think this 
is the birthday of Red. The past 1.5 years are just pregnancy.
:-) Can't wait to show Red to the Chinese people.
Pekr
6-Sep-2012
[1582]
From now on, the child is going to grow day by day :-)
Jerry
6-Sep-2012
[1583]
I can tell, it's gonna be a super star :-)
Cyphre
6-Sep-2012
[1584]
Congrats, Doc!
DocKimbel
6-Sep-2012
[1585x2]
Endo: thank you!

Thanks to all for your support!
Pekr: right, from now on, you can expect daily progress on Red layer. 
I will push the new code soon, I still need to complete it a bit 
and clean it up.


Jerry: the baby looks nice, we'll just have to keep it away from 
junk food and it will grow up well. ;-)
PeterWood
6-Sep-2012
[1587]
Many congratulations Nenad.
DocKimbel
6-Sep-2012
[1588]
Thanks Peter!
Gerard
6-Sep-2012
[1589]
Félicitations Doc - I will also submit an additional  donation to 
help the baby to grow further ... 50€  was sent to you Doc
Jerry
6-Sep-2012
[1590]
Doc, I announce this good news in Chinese http://weibo.com/rebol/
 :-)
DocKimbel
6-Sep-2012
[1591]
Thanks Gerard! 

Jerry: Cool! I'll make a blog entry too.
DocKimbel
7-Sep-2012
[1592]
Pekr: "I wonder what the strategy for Red is going to be in regards 
to GC ..."


Currently Red is using a per-OS thread mark-sweep-compacting GC. 
I intend to make it concurrent (maybe parallel) and incremental when 
(and if) possible. The collector is not yet fully implemented. It 
is also possible to easily make it generational if we need it. When 
we'll have big Red apps, we'll profile them and determine the best 
tuning options for the GC.


There's no silver bullet for memory management & GC, you need to 
adapt it to the language specific needs (and they may vary depending 
on the type of application: client-side, server-side, realtime, ...).
Henrik
7-Sep-2012
[1593]
Will it be possible to swap it out, depending on needs?
DocKimbel
7-Sep-2012
[1594x2]
I plan to use an abstraction API for memory management, so that we 
could in future, implement different ones.
Brian: I was wrong for OS X, it uses UTF-16 internally according 
to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-16
Jerry
7-Sep-2012
[1596]
I am giving a speech in SDCC conference tomorrow. http://sdcc.csdn.net/speaker.html
My topic is Dart. I hope it will be Red next year when Red is mature 
enough. :-)
DocKimbel
8-Sep-2012
[1597x3]
In a year, we should have passed v1.0 since a while. ;-)
Just want to have your advice on a issue I will have soon with Paypal 
and donations: there's a limit of 2500€ per year of reception allowed 
for EU accounts. It is possible to extend it by providing a lot of 
administrative documents to Paypal and even then it's at their discretion. 
Has I moved out of France, I won't be able to complete this requirements 
(and Montenegro is not supported by Paypal). So suggestions are welcome 
on how to keep receiving donations in a easy way for donators?
In the meantime, I would ask for donators making bigger than 100€ 
donations to use banking transfers instead of Paypal, so that I don't 
reach that limit this year.
Kaj
8-Sep-2012
[1600]
Personally, I plan on setting up a Bitcoin donation option
DocKimbel
8-Sep-2012
[1601]
Do you know a safe trading place where bitcoins can be converted 
to real money? The ones I used to know have all closed after being 
hacked...
Kaj
8-Sep-2012
[1602x2]
They're still hacked now and then, but there are ever more. Here's 
a market share list:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=4d5de9b6d61b4f35e349320621804bcb&topic=93386.0
Arnold
8-Sep-2012
[1604]
Personally, I think bitcoin sucks. I do not see the value that is 
represented by the bitcoin. "Computated hashes" or whatever. For 
who? I have some bitcoins I have made myself. How many do you want?
Kaj
8-Sep-2012
[1605x3]
I'll gladly accept them :-)
BitInstant is doing interesting things, giving out Bitcoins in stores 
in the US, Russia and Brazil, and claiming to introduce a Bitcoin 
Master card in a few weeks:
https://www.bitinstant.com
Arnold
8-Sep-2012
[1608]
Well who is issuing them, with what authority and what fundamental 
value? I cannot see this, whereas the state has the authority of 
the land where we live and foods are produced to base money value. 
(Second life 'money' was a hype.)  But that is a discussion for outside 
this Red message group.
Kaj
8-Sep-2012
[1609]
As you said, you are issuing them. They're based on similar fundamentals 
as mainstream currencies
Arnold
8-Sep-2012
[1610]
Here you have 10.000 nono-credits. Have fun!
Kaj
8-Sep-2012
[1611]
Depends on what nono-credits are
Arnold
8-Sep-2012
[1612]
Thery are called nono-credits because everywhere you want to exchange 
them you get to hear "nono"
Kaj
8-Sep-2012
[1613]
Then I don't trust them. On the other hand, I do trust Bitcoins to 
have value. That's the difference