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[#Red] Red language group

DocKimbel
15-Jun-2012
[532x2]
Flattr: yes, and I have received at least one donation on it, but 
can't retrieve it unless I accept to pay a monthly fee. I understand 
the logic behind it, but don't find it very handy.
@Gerard: I will try it under 3.1 in the emulator.
GiuseppeC
15-Jun-2012
[534x2]
Doc, no series in RED ?
Or blocks ?
DocKimbel
15-Jun-2012
[536x2]
If Red wouldn't have series and blocks, it wouldn't have much in 
common with REBOL. ;-)
@Gerard: works under emulator with 3.1, the kernel version is much 
lower though than the one you've reported, I have 2.6.29 here.
GiuseppeC
15-Jun-2012
[538]
Sorry Doc, I have made the wrong question: I don't see in the documentation 
block and series manipulation functions. Maybe I am looking at the 
wrong place ?
DocKimbel
15-Jun-2012
[539x2]
Which documentation? There's currently no documentation about Red, 
only about Red/System.
Red and Red/System are two different things that you should not confuse.
GiuseppeC
15-Jun-2012
[541]
Ok, I am officially confused ! :-)
DocKimbel
15-Jun-2012
[542x2]
:-)
Have a look at these ones:
- http://static.red-lang.org/red-system-specs.html#section-1

- slides 7 to 13 in my SFD presentation: http://www.red-lang.org/2011/09/red-at-software-freedom-day-2011.html
Kaj
15-Jun-2012
[544]
The DSL link in the docs is going to the French Wikipedia. You may 
want to anglicise that
GiuseppeC
15-Jun-2012
[545x2]
Read ! Very interesting.
Now I have understood.
DocKimbel
15-Jun-2012
[547x2]
Kaj: hehe, good one. :-)
URL fixed.
Gerard
15-Jun-2012
[549x2]
@Doc : Thanks for the try of the emulator - Now installing the Android 
update for my - almost 50 % left to do after 30 minutes - for an 
88 MB download - !!!  I will retest after everything is completed...
@Doc : Now I'm upgraded to Android version 3.2 Kernel is left unchanged 
to version 2.6.36.3 - Will try later for the tests - other more urgent 
taks are awaiting  for me now ...
DocKimbel
15-Jun-2012
[551]
No problem, I will test with 3.2 too.
GiuseppeC
15-Jun-2012
[552]
Doc, Maybe it has been asked thousand of times. Which will be the 
differences in RED Lang compared to REBOL ?
Kaj
15-Jun-2012
[553]
Only 999 times :-)
DocKimbel
15-Jun-2012
[554]
Hehe :-) For the core language, from user perspective, it will be 
very similar. For the external libs (GUI mainly), Red will provide 
different options. For more detail, you can re-read all the slides 
from the two presentations I've made for Red.
Gerard
15-Jun-2012
[555]
@Doc : No better success even if running from NativeEXE.apk version 
0.5 and Android version 3.2 - will continue to read before being 
able to investigate myself what could be done - Please don't loose 
your time on this case for now - You have much better  to do ... 
even if it's annoying a bit. I don't despair but I really can't be 
useful to you for now... my understanding of the inner working of 
this stuff exceeds my current capabilities !
Andreas
17-Jun-2012
[556]
a "hello world!" written in and compiled by red/system running on 
a raspberry pi:

[pi-:-raspberrypi]:~$ ./hello-reds.arm 
hello from red/system!

([pi-:-raspberrypi]:~$ uname -a

Linux raspberrypi 3.1.9+ #90 Wed Apr 18 18:23:05 BST 2012 armv6l 
GNU/Linux)
Henrik
17-Jun-2012
[557]
Nice :-)
Pekr
17-Jun-2012
[558]
cool :-)
DocKimbel
17-Jun-2012
[559]
Does the provided hello.reds script work too?
Andreas
17-Jun-2012
[560]
hello.reds works as well, yes.
GrahamC
17-Jun-2012
[561]
who's raspberrypi ?
Pekr
17-Jun-2012
[562]
I expect it's Andreas' RaspberryPi, as Doc tweeted, that his is still 
undelivered?
Andreas
18-Jun-2012
[563]
Mine, yes.
Bas
20-Jun-2012
[564x2]
There is now also an English page on Wikipedia about Red:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_%28programming_language%29
Endo
20-Jun-2012
[566x2]
Cool!
we can add red-lang.org and cheyenne-server.org links to the external 
references.
Kaj
20-Jun-2012
[568x2]
red-lang.org is there. Cheyenne doesn't have much to do with Red 
yet
However, Windows, OS X and Android are missing from the OS entries
Endo
21-Jun-2012
[570]
we can copy/paste "about" section from http://www.red-lang.org/p/about.html
as well.
Kaj
21-Jun-2012
[571]
Be careful with that. The Red site is speaking in the future. Wikipedia 
will not regard that as encyclopedic information
Endo
21-Jun-2012
[572]
I see. So we will put those information after Red is completed.
Evgeniy Philippov
22-Jun-2012
[573x2]
It would be interesting for RED to be a strict superset of REBOL...
It is interesting what does DocKimbel think about such possibility...
Kaj
22-Jun-2012
[575]
You're right: as a compiler, it can't be
DocKimbel
27-Jun-2012
[576x2]
Bas: great work, thank you!
Evgeniy: I am not sure if a strict superset of REBOL is doable in 
Red without introducing some important runtime overhead, making the 
compilation approach much less efficient, so less useful. I'll try 
to push it as far as possible and will stop when we loose too much 
performances.
Pekr
27-Jun-2012
[578]
Hello Doc - how are you doing, lately? Still busy with the non-red 
related contract? :-)
DocKimbel
27-Jun-2012
[579]
Unfortunately yes, but it should end in about ten days, so I could 
finally get back to the interesting stuff. I'm becoming an MQL4 language 
expert now, and I really don't like that (even if it can make me 
see some interesting niche opportunities for a Red dialect). ;-)
Pekr
27-Jun-2012
[580]
Well, as for dialects, I still can see PARSE as a secret weapon. 
Hopefully Red gets to R3 or Topaz level, as far as parsing goes. 
We could create some dialects for niches, I think ppl would see the 
advantage ...
Rebolek
28-Jun-2012
[581]
It's possible to do something like [s: make c-string! 1000] in Red? 
So I would reserve 1000 bytes long c-string?