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[#Red] Red language group

DocKimbel
28-Oct-2012
[3054]
The difference lies in the PE header, the sub-system required to 
run the app needs to be set to either 'console or 'GUI.
Kaj
28-Oct-2012
[3055]
OK, thanks. I'll split the test builds, then
DocKimbel
28-Oct-2012
[3056x3]
But Windows seems to be quite permissive in recent versions, so a 
GUI app can also be started from DOS console.
Yes, it would be cleaner for the day when we will have real GUI apps 
in Red, in addition to console-only ones.
(at least for the Windows platform)
Kaj
28-Oct-2012
[3059]
I suppose GTK and SDL officially need GUI
DocKimbel
28-Oct-2012
[3060]
Yes, it would be cleaner/safer to compile them using 'Windows target 
rather than MSDOS, but I'm not sure you what would happen to the 
text sent to stdout and stderr then...
Kaj
28-Oct-2012
[3061]
Good point. I'll add instead of move them, then
BrianH
28-Oct-2012
[3062]
Calling it something like Windows-Console rather than MSDOS might 
be better, since the real MSDOS (or rather clones of it) is still 
a valid target for embedded development. The Windows console environment 
hasn't been MSDOS since the '90s.
DocKimbel
28-Oct-2012
[3063]
Brian: I'm aware of that. The probabilty of someone porting Red to 
old MSDOS (no Unicode, no multitasking, no native TCP/IP) is very 
close to zero. If someone does it anyway, we'll adjust our targets 
ID accordingly. In the meantime, I prefer typing "-t MSDOS" rather 
than "-t Windows-Console" on command-line. Also, it's easier to remember 
for everyone, after all it's just an ID, nothing else.


If you are thinking about FreeDOS, which is probably a more likely 
target than real old MSDOS, I guess we won't have any name collision 
then. ;-)
BrianH
28-Oct-2012
[3064x3]
Call it DOS. But the MSDOS target name still annoys me. I don't want 
a legitimate, common target build to bring back such bad memories 
:(
Actually, not all of the memories were bad. In recent years I was 
thinking of making sure R3 would run on a set of libraries that enables 
Windows apps on DOS, but at the moment I'm having trouble finding 
the link/name of those libraries.
Ah, here it is, the HX DOS extender: http://www.japheth.de/HX.html
Pekr
28-Oct-2012
[3067]
what about calling it CMD (as is the command, cmd.exe, which you 
have to issue to open that black old console), or CON, as a "console"?
DocKimbel
28-Oct-2012
[3068x2]
I've hesitated between DOS and MSDOS in the beginning, and I've chosen 
the later one, because it is more meaningful for everyone, especially 
those that do not use Windows often (or never use it). As I've said, 
if someone ever ports Red to old MSDOS, we'll deal with the name 
conflict then.
Pekr: Red is not a Windows-only product. ;-)
BrianH
28-Oct-2012
[3070]
I meant call the real DOS target DOS. No Windows-based target should 
have DOS or MSDOS in its name :(
DocKimbel
28-Oct-2012
[3071]
Brian: as I've explained to Kaj earlier, Windows does make a difference 
between apps built with GUI or built for console- only. If it wasn't 
the case, we would only have the "Windows" target.
BrianH
28-Oct-2012
[3072]
I have no problem with the existence of the target, and will likely 
use it; I just don't like the name.
PeterWood
28-Oct-2012
[3073]
Congratulations on the release of Red Alpha.
BrianH
28-Oct-2012
[3074]
Another OS for running Windows console binaries (and possibly more): 
http://www.jbox.dk/sanos/
DocKimbel
28-Oct-2012
[3075]
I also thought about "WinCon" at the beginning (and "WinGUI" instead 
of "Windows"), but quickly dropped it because it would not be easy 
to remember, and inconsistent with the way other targets are named. 
See the targets list at the bottom of this page: 

https://github.com/dockimbel/Red
Kaj
28-Oct-2012
[3076]
Calling it DOS would annoy me, as I had that on Atari 8-bit :-)
Pekr
28-Oct-2012
[3077]
well, let's not loose much time upon what just annoys us re naming 
convention of not so important language parameter ... :-)
BrianH
28-Oct-2012
[3078]
I don't want *that* target called DOS, I want it called something 
without "DOS" in the name, since it's not for DOS (MS or not).
Kaj
28-Oct-2012
[3079]
http://bikeshed.org
DocKimbel
28-Oct-2012
[3080x2]
Brian: you don't have to like it, on Windows, it's the default target, 
so you'll never have to type it as long as you're not cross-compiling 
from another OS. ;-)
Thanks Peter! Your early unit tests helped it get out without too 
many bugs. ;-)
BrianH
28-Oct-2012
[3082]
That does help :)
PeterWood
28-Oct-2012
[3083]
Well I did find one bug :-)
NatasjaK
28-Oct-2012
[3084]
Red Alpha release! Where's the party?
DocKimbel
28-Oct-2012
[3085x2]
Kaj: thanks, I'm bookmarking this one, I will certainly need it in 
future. :-)
It's a cyber-party and it's happening here. ;-)
NatasjaK
28-Oct-2012
[3087]
OK ;-) *PLOP* as we say here in the Netherlands
DocKimbel
28-Oct-2012
[3088x2]
We're just lacking some ASCII-art beer to make it more fun!
Pekr: I think the Twitter widget I'm using on my Blogger's site is 
dead, not a single other Twitter plugin for Blogger is working...
Pekr
28-Oct-2012
[3090]
well, I have twitter code on my 2zone site, ad it works ....
Kaj
28-Oct-2012
[3091]
They changed their API a few weeks back
DanielN
29-Oct-2012
[3092x3]
RED-system/GTK-bindings on Ubuntu 12.10 : all the samples compile 
but GTK-Widget give an error at run time :
red-system/builds$ ./GTK-widgets 


(GTK-widgets:2867): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_container_add: assertion 
`GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed

*** Runtime Error 9: float invalid operation
*** at: B64F5C20h
Run-All    v0.8.2
Quick-Test v0.9.1
REBOL       2.7.8.4.2
Red/System Test Suite

ok - logic.............................81 / 81
ok - byte..............................40 / 40
ok - c-string..........................20 / 20
ok - struct...........................116 / 116
ok - pointer...........................69 / 69
ok - cast..............................88 / 88
ok - alias.............................23 / 23
ok - length............................11 / 11
ok - null..............................11 / 11
ok - enum..............................19 / 19
ok - float.............................60 / 60
ok - float32...........................55 / 55
ok - lib...............................13 / 13
ok - get-pointer........................5 / 5
ok - float-pointer.....................61 / 61
ok - namespace........................109 / 109
ok - not...............................44 / 44
ok - size..............................37 / 37
ok - function...........................6 / 6
ok - case..............................64 / 64
ok - switch............................85 / 85
ok - exit...............................9 / 9
ok - return............................25 / 25
ok - modulo............................29 / 29
ok - math-mixed.......................114 / 114
ok - infix..............................2 / 2
ok - conditional.......................13 / 13
ok - common............................16 / 16
ok - byte-auto.......................3636 / 3636
ok - integer-auto....................2778 / 2778
ok - maths-auto......................1661 / 1661
ok - float-auto......................1617 / 1617
ok - float32-auto....................1023 / 1023
ok - alias-compile......................3 / 3
ok - cast-compile......................16 / 16
ok - comp-err...........................2 / 2
ok - exit-err...........................3 / 3
ok - int-literals-err...................1 / 1
ok - output.............................3 / 3
ok - return-err.........................5 / 5
ok - conditions-required-err...........23 / 23
ok - inference-err......................1 / 1
ok - callback-err.......................2 / 2
ok - infix-compile......................3 / 3
ok - not-compile........................1 / 1
ok - print..............................3 / 3
ok - enumerations compile..............12 / 12
ok - pointer-compile....................2 / 2
ok - namespace compiler tests...........5 / 5

ok - Red/System Test Suite..........12031 / 12031
       in 0:00:42.94891
AdrianS
29-Oct-2012
[3095]
Congratulations on the new release! It's hard to believe how fast 
things are moving these recently.
DanielN
29-Oct-2012
[3096]
SDL Samples Ubuntu 12.10 SDL version: 1.2.15... all OK
AdrianS
29-Oct-2012
[3097]
Doc, are you thinking of doing anything in particular to make the 
lexer be easily accessed from a hosting environment? It would be 
nice to see Red supported in a deeper way by something like Sublime 
Text.
DocKimbel
29-Oct-2012
[3098x3]
DanielN: thanks for testing, I will have a look at the GTK issue 
later today.
AdrianS: we can make the lexer part of the upcoming public API accessible 
when compiling Red script as shared library. If you have suggestions 
about how the lexer should be exposed in order to facilitate integration 
with code editors, let me know.
Kaj: I got a reply from AVIRA telling me that the binary I've submitted 
was clean:

https://analysis.avira.com/en/status?uniqueid=KwPWqW429CmT1fNpbHWQgDxQ8ryDHO4T&incidentid=1301128
DanielN
29-Oct-2012
[3101]
WebKit ( I don't ckow if this can help... ) : GTK3 sample work fine 
for me after "/usr/lib$ sudo ln -s libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0 libwebkit-1.0.so.2"... 
and sometimes  : ./LazySundayAfternoon-Browser 
java version ("1.6.0_24"

OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.11.5) (6b24-1.11.5-0ubuntu1~12.10.1)
OpenJDK Server VM (b1uild 20.0-b12, mixed mode)

*** Runtime Error 32: segmentation fault
*** at: A66DB327h
Kaj
29-Oct-2012
[3102x2]
Daniel, thanks for testing. The GTK error is recent; I reported it 
last week or so. But I didn't get the float error with it, which 
makes me think I need to add back FPU initialisation to it
WebKit has been changing their API a lot, so the binding is only 
for the older version. Segfaults and such would be expected when 
fooling it. Also, the GTK binding is developed for GTK 2 at the moment. 
I'll update them when I start running newer versions myself