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james_nak
28-Feb-2013
[1536]
Is it a not a gui-based tool?
AdrianS
28-Feb-2013
[1537x2]
No, haven't looked myself, but I know from reading things here and 
there, that Emil has the idea of re-working/re-thinking the scripting 
language.
So, I would think a conversation with him would be worthwhile.
NickA
28-Feb-2013
[1539]
If you can speak with him, and get some technical details, maybe 
there's some potential, especially if he gets help from the group.
AdrianS
28-Feb-2013
[1540]
If they felt that some other entity would sponsor at least part of 
the work (on the assumption that what gets created is then made available 
to the Rebol community), they might be interested.
NickA
28-Feb-2013
[1541]
First step is to find out how big a project it is...
AdrianS
28-Feb-2013
[1542x2]
Sure. There are different milestones for a language integration. 
The first, to get the language hooked up to the API is probably not 
a huge effort. The second, to make existing projects work in the 
new language, is a different matter.
Anyhow, that's one place where we could push. Another is the Khan 
Academy. What's your opinion of them?
NickA
28-Feb-2013
[1544]
The TED videos about Khan Academy are inspiring.
AdrianS
28-Feb-2013
[1545]
James, Algodoo is very graphical simulation tool, but is very scriptable 
(the current language used is called thyme).
NickA
28-Feb-2013
[1546]
And they seem to have some marketing savvy
AdrianS
28-Feb-2013
[1547x3]
Well, they chose to, for now use JavaScript to teach programming
They're backed by the Gates foundation
I would think with something like a Topaz, i.e. Rebol in a browser, 
they could have something much greater.
NickA
28-Feb-2013
[1550]
Better to get the attention of the Gates foundation ;)
AdrianS
28-Feb-2013
[1551]
John Resig, the jQuery guy, now works for them. They've hired some 
top people.
NickA
28-Feb-2013
[1552]
As interesting as it sounds, I'd never heard of Algodoo.  REBOL needs 
some support by groups with reach.
AdrianS
28-Feb-2013
[1553]
I'd urge you to just download it and try it. If you love Rebol, I 
guarantee you'll love Algodoo.
NickA
28-Feb-2013
[1554]
I imagine I probably would enjoy it, but me liking it isn't related 
to how much a relationship with them would help improve REBOL's reach.
AdrianS
28-Feb-2013
[1555x5]
My connection dropped...
I agree, promotion/evangelism of Rebol is what we want to pursue.
But having polished examples of apps in important fields, like education, 
is key.
Algodoo, is pretty slick. Both in what it does and in looks.
Anyhow, it's one possibility that I'll try to move along.
NickA
28-Feb-2013
[1560x2]
I think it's worth exploring.
And probably fun :)
AdrianS
28-Feb-2013
[1562x2]
The other reason I brough it up now is that community sharing is 
a pretty big part of Algodoo and so a chat/collaboration feature 
would be great to have.
So another reason they might want to consider Rebol vs others.
NickA
28-Feb-2013
[1564]
I'm reading and downloading right now :)
AdrianS
28-Feb-2013
[1565x2]
Get/install the version I linked in Languages - 2.1 beta8
http://www.algodoo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=9381&sid=f4679db2c66c8d1a6a2241fb0ec44af7
Scot
28-Feb-2013
[1567x5]
The key is the app, not the language.  Regular old REBOL is all that 
needs to be underneath.  Apps can have dialects that control them 
AKA AREXX.  AppleScript is really a dialect for the Apple OS.
My daughter married John Resig's brother.  Long conversations.  John 
is a good guy, a human-centered technology sort of guy.  Saw the 
DOM and went yuk.  I've got to do something about this.
Enter JQuery.
Never heard of REBOL until I mentioned it.
Rochester Institute of Technology grad.
AdrianS
28-Feb-2013
[1572]
He's a young guy - I think it was a bit before their time, unfortunately. 
Hopefully they'll now take a good look.
Scot
28-Feb-2013
[1573]
29 almost 30.
Henrik
1-Mar-2013
[1574x2]
Is R3 chat in github? It does not handle failing open a browser window 
very gracefully.
failing to open
AdrianS
1-Mar-2013
[1576]
I don't think it's there.
Pekr
1-Mar-2013
[1577x2]
I wodner a bit, why Carl, releasing R3, did not publish also an R3 
chat? Is that so advanced, that he felt like keeping it private?
As for me, I can see it as a chat. I am not sure it scales well to 
replace Altme like product, but maybe I am wrong. I liked IOS model 
with pluggable handlers, and I would also probably made the back-end 
SQLite based ...
AdrianS
1-Mar-2013
[1579]
I'm guessing Carl designed the back end taking into account what 
he learned with AltME, so I would guess it's better designed.
Henrik
1-Mar-2013
[1580]
Only the server part is private at least.
Pekr
1-Mar-2013
[1581]
Well, maybe all we need to do is to ask Carl, if the Chat could be 
released too? Has anyone tried already?
AdrianS
1-Mar-2013
[1582x2]
Yes, a few times. I just mentioned to Nick earlier today how Carl 
seems to purposely avoid answering that question.
he was asking the same thing - see above in this group
GrahamC
1-Mar-2013
[1584]
Anything that Carl does not wish to answer .. he will ignore .. that's 
his past behviour
Henrik
1-Mar-2013
[1585]
He would in the past however accept fixes to it, and posted a guide 
on how to extract the sources.