World: r3wp

OLdes henrik and any other that wants me to make my own R3/GUI ok 
but since your are the gurus then I'm pending on your teaching and 
leading  for me to achieve that goal :)

Shadwolf,  if you think you have any 'gurus' they should teach you 
devotion and patience first :-)

cyphre yeah you want pathetic brainless followers that appauds any 
of your moves.... Sorry that's not my style.. The thing is the people 
telling me to do my own branch of R3/GUI  for free obviously to there 
benefits don't know how to do such a project on their own to start 
with so there is obviously nothing to be expecting coming from them.

patience ? since when do we know that  R3/GUI is externalised to 
R3hostkit ?  Since when do we know carl is having terrific problem 
on this matter ?

Sorry, what I want has nothing to do with you and your 'gurus' :)

(but we should switch probably to Humour channel)

you talk about patience ... but problem is my patience would be filled 
if  there were a discussion about things choice futur  perspective 
documentation and not the way things are settling up since many month 
with a one sided discution you come with your own wishes fullfilled 
and you come here to show them and based on that get crowd admiration 
and support what you expect of us is being cheap beta testers nothing 
more nothing else...

I looked at  R3hostkit some month ago it was a mess ... I looked 
it now on the 110 it's still a mess  and there is no one here with 
a spine to have a technical level discussion with me !! as professionals 
how can you live with that ...!!??

do you guys have no ethic no selfawareness no passion ?

I tryed to have this discussion in the early stage of R3/GUI project 
I was pushed aside I tryed to have it again some month after  with 
same result and now again some month after nothing have changed and 
you tell me to be patient ?

sorry to point out that in 6 month of your project leading guys there 
is nothing to read apart RMA's propaganda on how they are great and 
how they will do awesome things for rebol...

I'm doing actually an API map for the R3-hostkit and this single 
page document is already much more instructive than any of what was 
done in 2010 ...!!!

henrik not my fault if altme was built to burried informations ...

that's something we discussed too alot and concretly altme didn't 
changed since i start using it in 2003 ....

it was added a web viewer...

Repeating from above:


We'll be releasing new version of R3GUI later today with the docs 
Ladislav mentioned.

Unfortunately I had not enough spare time to update the old 'gui 
demo'. So now a question to all who cried here :) Is there any volunteer 
who will try to convert the demo? I think this is great oportunity 
to:
-learn how the new version works

-found possible bugs and issues and report back to RMA team or even 
provide fixes
-give back something usable to comunity

So anyone interested?...

will that documentation be anought to start another branch R3/GUI 
? I think that's not the topic in fact. That's documentation to allow 
us to test your product and be productive beta testers.

oooh, so much of talk ... who should read it? :-)

Pekr, you just volunteered to write the new R3GUI demo :-)

Cyphre - to get smooth (amiga-like) scrolling, with low CPU overhead 
(do you remember my scrolling news bar?), is your HW acceleration 
helpfull, or it would need any other specific links to DirectX stuff? 
Just a question ....

I thought about it, but I bet system is so different, that 1:1 translation 
will be almost impossible :-)

Pekr, that's the trick, I suppose. You have to translate the visual 
appearance and capability rather than looking too much at the old 
code.

once angain those documents are just here to serves you own interest 
not our... My interrest is to have a R3/GUI that is based on a community 
real effort and organisation, that produce documentation and that 
tends to involve everyone and not limiting them to the role of beta 
testers.  My interest is having this library with one to one link 
everywhere. My interest is to have this module/library  discussed 
all aloing and with futur granted ... We don't know if RMA will produce 
something affortable we don't know if after this first shot what 
will be the level of evolution we can expect from it ... Do we will 
need to pass to bounties to get new things added to it once the main 
release is done ? how will be integrated and rewarded external contributions 
to that project ? why only the 5 of RMA should get money out of this 
project?

(Pekr, I think we should move your HW question to !R3 Graphics group)

Pekr, nevertheless, feel free to dabble with it. We'll answer questions 
about it.

Pekr: Nevertheless, if you compare the doc Carl wrote with the new 
source that will be published today, you will find out, that the 
difference is not exactly huge.

Otherwise even converting the old code shouldn't be so hard but I 
haven't studied it. Anyway RMA team will try to help such conversion 
related quetsions here if you start doing it.

hmmm, tempted :-)

http://94.145.78.91/files/r3/gui/252.png


SCRUM tool prototype GUI example. We are exploring how to organize 
the GUI, as the R3 GUI can be used to prototype things now. The next 
step here is to get it integrated with the database reactors prototype 
written earlier. If that is done correctly, we should be able to 
switch from a prototype file database to a different database backend 
(SQL based) without touching any GUI code.

Good luch ... I am really curious if your reactors are flexible to 
cover all DB needs.

What's the red color? Widget in focus? :-)

yes, for now that was easier.

We should start talking look & feel at some point too, as it really 
looks completly strange :-) Cheap gradients with Aqua like old Mac 
look mixed with 70ties Unix grey aproach :-). How can anyone create 
anything like that nowadays? This is really strange, as I remember 
Gabriele's effect-lab, Cyphre's styles pack, and also Henrik's first 
UI attempts, and those looked much better ...


I need to know, if it will be adressed, as I am scared to touch the 
gui, as I fear it will do really something bad to me :-)

the skin will not be changed until nearly all basic functionality 
is complete. it's my task, but am not available for it anyway.

this is also to avoid risking having to redo the skin several times, 
if style architecture changes.

btw what happened to the old R3 V2 gui from carl? could this be used 
as a starting point fpr another GUI?

the style was not bad imho. any architectual reason why this wasn't 
developed further?

Tom, Carl's GUI was inadequate in many ways. The one we are building 
now is directly based on it, but replaces parts of it, like the resizing 
scheme.

Pekr, what you think is ugly and cheap design, is actualy THE FUTURE 
of UI design. Every GUI will look like this in 2-3 years, I wonder 
you don't see it. At least you understand this is the definite and 
final design of R3GUI.

TomBon - I think, and I hope, that not much changed in underlying 
architecture design. But you probably refer to Carl's Spring skin 
:-) First time I saw it, I found it strange, now I miss it :-)

But seriously, as Henrik said, functionality will be done first, 
then the look.

Rebolek - my dog randomly drawing would come up with better aesthetics 
probably :-) One should have pleasure to play with the stuff in the 
process, while I have really a hard time looking at any single screenshot 
of new GUI. What I don't understand is, why it changed from the former 
look, if draw code for such style was already available?

Well, at least I have something to play with. If I will somehow proceed 
with adapting demo, I might try to experiment to change some style's 
look, to see how the design and functionality are separated.

Pekr, that's great! So let you dog do the draw blocks for some styles 
and we will add them!

Rebolek - that is an idea, with my dog :-)

I have no problem with replacing current look, if anyone provides 
something. But I'm not going to work on look now, because the priority 
of this task is currently low.

I might try to "port" Carl's Spring look, to just see, how it works 
or not. It could show some potential problem with eventual skining 
...

Pekr, if you need any help with porting, I'll be glad to help. Just 
start with something easy as button, and let me know if you have 
any questions.

henrik, thx for clarifying. Pekr, yes, same here ;-)

I will not participate to any bug tracker, bug correction, or testings 
regarding R3/GUI until we don't have a full detailled schematic of 
R3-host-kit, while we don't know where we are going with this project, 
and while we don't know if a better path can be found to avoid this 
project to fall in porting maze.