World: r3wp

I have done so this week, even. No GUI work whatsoever.

it was a joke ...

The 901 has a 4.5 to 8 hour battery, no kidding.

Pekr, shame you view this as one or the other.  I hope one day to 
have one dialect that outputs REBOL view and an AJAX like framework.

I have a FAQ, it is a Wiki.  I'm turning much of it into a set of 
books...so joke or not, good idea.
We need a wiki for everything!

BrianH: I am so serious about REBOL, that I almost can't bear, how 
this whole project is treated :-) What you do is cool. YOU are the 
top guru in our community nowadays, as Ladislav is not here. You 
mostly patch Core mezzanines, no? I try to urge Carl to get to the 
point of release, where sources are put into DevBase. I am also not 
much satisfied with r3-gui world - while top REBOL coders are there, 
they mostly don't contribute, they rather chat here ;-)

We must be really in strange situation, when Carl invites someone 
like me (which I call a mistake :-) to r3-gui, to actually get some 
real feedback!

I also test and initiate Core native enhancements, backport changes 
to R2, refine the language design with Carl, ...

And I am the DevBase project lead.

I hope that Reichart takes what I will say now easy, as it is just 
my pov, but while Qtask give real work to some of REBOL guys, which 
is really cool, it might be also the cause why some top guys vanished. 
How often Cyphre, Gabriele, Anton, are here? Cyphre did not touch 
View for 8 or more months? Some things are not still finished. It 
is two sided sword.

(which I will get back to more next week)

Brian - I know what you do. What I mean by R3 core work is really 
a low level work - finish Unicode, finish modules, finish plug-ins, 
finish tasking, etc., so that projects like Cheyenne (which could 
turn in kind of killer app for REBOL) can proceed (move to R3).

Cyphre's work on REBOL is paid work, and they tend to accumulate 
a whole batch of fixes for him to do in one job.

We are now in the accumulation phase of that, I believe.

OK, I give up. I am in waiting mode, studying new GUI, in order to 
be able to catch few bugs for Carl. I reall wish host codes would 
be uploaded, so those of us interested, could start porting efforts 
to Os-X, Linux, Win Mobile ... and plug-in :-)

Anton does not work for Qtask.

I thought he is. So my apologies to Reichart.

Richard not working on REBOL has NOTHING to do with Qtask.

Gab not working on REBOL has NOTHING to do with Qtask (but they can 
speak up for themselves.)

You can't expect everything to be done at once. Right now we are 
focusing on what needs to be done for a developer release. The rest 
can be put off until after that release. It's triage.

Pekr, I know you keep pounding on this, but you a really wrong here... 
 Brian knows my stance on REBOL, and can attest to this.

In person :)

Qtask is their primary work, no? I am not accusing Qtask of anything, 
just that it is a primary job, which keeps guys busy. It is not only 
about REBOL, but those guys vanished from public REBOL life almost 
altogether. Can't remember Cyphre's post here, or to ML, Gabriele 
is here sporadically too.

Failure to correctly recognize causality is the root of most failures 
of perception.

Gabriele and Cyphre aren't very social.

I see Gab here most days .. he just doesn't post unless he has something 
to say

Good to see him on camera today.

I had seen pictures of him from devcon past.

I talk to Gab almost every day....and to Richard several times a 
week....Gab is actually very "social", but only in small groups.

As Reichart can tell you, my standards for "social" might be a little 
much...

:)

Failure to correctly recognize causality is the root of most failures 
of perception.

   I am going to translate that in 37 languages and sell T-shirts.

NEWEST WORKING VERSION:

http://rockfactory.us/rooms/room22

This has broadcast area on the left (comfortably fits 640x480), text 
chat on right - with name login (and private text/video/audio chat 
between any audience members), links include a file area, with file 
area, and a separate text/video/audio room for random group discussions. 
  According to today's activities, this should satisfy our needs.

with file area  -> with file upload

Please try it out and lemme know!

Looks much better now ...

Looked good on a quick try out. Goodnight!

Yes, better...neeeds Helv font everywhere.

My FMS server is hosted, so I need to prepare for the event by ensuring 
enough connections, bandwidth, and storage space reserved on the 
server.  I currently have a 40 connection limit, but it's no problem 
to raise that as high as needed - I just need to do it soon.  I'd 
appreciate some help getting a concensus of the number of people 
to expect.  Right now 4 people are signed up at http://rockfactory.us/events/devcon.html
 for December 27th, 3pm EST.  Is that when we've decided to hold 
the event?  We had an additional 10 people signed up for yesterday's 
prep meeting, and 16 people came to visit.  Signing up at http://rockfactory.us/events/devcon.html
 would help me get a better estimate.  I could set up a registration 
process and hand out unique user/pass combinations, but would prefer 
to leave it as open as possible for those interested to just join 
in...  If anyone has ideas about how to estimate a head count, I'd 
appreciate any suggestions.   Thanks!

NickA, I plan on attending.

Thanks Paul :)  Just to be clear, I need to plan on enough connections, 
including for those who are just watching.

Even though this is a virtual DevCon (DevVerCon), we should treat 
it like a full DevCon, with a page for people, like this http://www.colellachiara.com/devcon05/

REBOL DevVerCon 2008 
REBOL DevCon (virtual) 20008
REBOL Devcon 2008 (World wide virtual attendance)

And post all the vidoes to youtube, if possible

NickA, I signed up.

Signed up; but I'll only be lurking.

Not to confuse anyone but Nick has set up a better signup procedure 
at http://rockfactory.us/events/devcon.html. Thanks to Geomol, Reichart 
and Btiffin for putting their names on the checklist. I think we're 
still waiting for a 3.0 Presenter.

John and Brian, I didn't see your names on the list at http://rockfactory.us/events/devcon.html, 
so I took the liberty of adding you, along with others who've specifically 
stated they'd attend.  Aside from the mailing list, are there any 
other lists here on Altme or elsewhere that I should be checking?

The next step should probably be organizing presentation times and 
topics.  I've only seen the names posted on the mailing list (http://www.rebol.org/ml-display-thread.r?m=rmlCWZC).