World: r3wp

Doc,  I appreciate your time / work on this.  Just so I understand.... 
are you saying that the solution you would implement would only run 
on a Win machine and that solutions that run on other machines are 
not feasible  ... because they are basically cumbersome and unreliable? 
 e.g. http://drupal.org/node/44718And are schemes like NTLM Authorization 
Proxy Server unworkable?  refer http://www.geocities.com/rozmanov/ntlm/
    I can't see using Cheyenne in a work environment  unless it supports 
NTLM.

Nenad, seems there was a major uniserve rewrite with cheyenne.. are 
things pretty much the same? How do you install a new service now?

Terry: UniServe hasn't been rewritten, there are just a few features 
and new events added. The service API is exactly the same as before. 
Remember that Cheyenne and UniServe are two different products. Cheyenne 
is just using UniServe as low level networking layer.

MikeL: I've implemeted a cheap solution by using the win32 API. Implementing 
NTLM natively in REBOL  require a significant amount of time, that 
I don't have currently, or in a near future. There are some non trivial 
algorithms to implement in REBOL like MD4 hashing. If required, I 
may work on such lib on a contract basis, else I don't think that 
I'll have time to implement that before next year. Maybe someone 
else in the REBOL community would have the time to do the job ?

Nenad, Thanks for the explanation.

Nenad, I dropped my service into Cheyenne's uniserve / service folder 
and no go? Works fine with the older Uniserve.

If you're using cheyenne.r to try to start your service, that's logical 
: only the HTTPd service is loaded, see cheyenne.r source code. If 
you want to add your own service to cheyenne, add it to cheyenne.r. 
If you don't want cheyenne, just write your own launch script.

Erratum: cheyenne loads 2 services : HTTPd and Task-master.

Any docs coming for Cheyenne?  How do Vhosts work?

Hey Doc.. how much time will you be committing to Cheyenne?

.. ( i guess i have my answer ;)

Is this what you have to do SSL enable/wrap Cheynne ? http://www.stunnel.org/examples/https_windows.html

Yes

I wonder if all of that can't be short circuited by just downloading 
binaries of openssl, creating the certificates, and then downloading 
the stunnel binaries.

Didn't work for me.  openssl didn't compile :(

Nenad, any word on updates? PHP?

I've been cranking hard on Framewerks, and a beta is coming soon. 
We've completely blurred the line between desktop apps, and web apps, 
and I'm looking to EASILY sell 100,000+ copies of Cheyenne as soon 
as it's ready.

Anyone interested in making Cheyenne (and Uniserve) an Apache killer?

we need to wait for doc to fix sessions

we need to wait for RT to enable server side ssl

CARL!!!!!!

;-)

we may have to wait until May when doc can ply Carl with enough beer 
to release the secrets of ssl

Doc is rewritting sessions currently and back on Cheyenne, at least 
that is what he told to me a week ago ...

That is good news Pekr, thanks for sharing 8-)

there are still stability issue on heavy traffic, at least on OS 
X

how heavy is the traffic?

about 100000 rsp requests in a couple hours, last time I checked 
it was related to accumulated connections not propery closed

Would like to see php.exe plugged in.  Sessions don't seem to be 
more than glorified cookies.

OpenSSL provides libraries

Some news: I'm currently finishing a new RSP API documentation, that 
will match the upcoming RSP version with brand new code for session 
support. In this next release, I'll focus on stability / reliability 
rather than providing new big features. I should be able to release 
it in a month from now with proper documentation.

so they let you out of the cavern again?  ;-)

last post being 4 months ago!

I sometimes escape to hunt for some food and drink some water, and...connect 
to AltMe ;-)

I've used other channels for giving some news since then, like Cheyenne's 
blog at softinnov.org.

here its not just new, its actual human relation, much more fun ! 
;-)

(new = news)

Fun : sure, but can be very time-consuming...

is rsp api already in?

ah, not rpc, but rsp :-) well, i am not interested in anything rsp, 
unless it works with templates not mixing html and rebol source code 
:-)

working sessions would be fine :-)

but doc, I think many users would like  you to pass by a little more 
often... its just nice to know that an author is actively supporting 
his stuff...

this is the "official" rebol meeting place.

Terry: REBOL already supports SSL, it just a matter of knowing which 
flag to set to switch to server-side SSL. Btw, if anyone can get 
the info from Carl, that would be great ! (Pekr, you're kind of good 
at extracting info from ppl ;-))

Max: you're right, I wish I have more time to spend here (hopefully, 
I can now spend 2 days per week working on all my REBOL projects, 
so, you'll see me here now more often.

I wrote official... but I meant "official underground community"... 
where actual user end up.

you know... it doesn't have to be 4 hours of chat.

I know how it is...

Petr: RSP can emit XML if you need to separate content from presentation. 
Btw, I'd be happy to see an XSLT lib done in REBOL.

I will try to write to Carl :-)