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[PowerPack] discussions about RP

Sunanda
24-May-2005
[23]
Good points, Maarten about accessibility.


If I were looking for an alternative REBOL GUI and typed REBOL GUI 
into Google, I'd probably soon conclude that there wasn't one. And 
that might end my evaluation of REBOL.


Having many useful tools scattered across personal websites has other 
weaknesses too -- look at how hard it's been for people to find Gavin 
MacKenzies's XML libraries after his personal website went offline.
yeksoon
24-May-2005
[24]
I will just addon..with the vaious 'powerpacks' in place.. it is 
possible to build something similiar to 'Ruby on Rails'


I believe the French community already have some well defined framework 
called Magic!... and we have Temple(?) lying around somewhere.
Maarten
24-May-2005
[25]
That's why I am doing this. I will start as Strong Leader, simply 
to make a Fast Start. Once the powerpack is well-established others 
may (and probably want to) join.
Graham
24-May-2005
[26x2]
Docs Uniserve is GPL'd ..
Can Uniserve be used for a "rails" implementation?
Maarten
24-May-2005
[28]
rails
 ?
Graham
24-May-2005
[29]
http://www.rubyonrails.com/.. I was just reading Yeksoon's reference 
above.
Will
24-May-2005
[30]
wow, looking at the video http://media.nextangle.com/rails/rails_setup.mov
JaimeVargas
24-May-2005
[31]
Marteen I think RebDB should also be part of the RP.
Maarten
24-May-2005
[32]
Yep, thanks
PeterWood
24-May-2005
[33]
Rebol on Rockets!!!
Volker
24-May-2005
[34]
don't forget make-doc! :)) and maybe pdfmaker?
Henrik
24-May-2005
[35]
I'm building some extensions for pdfmaker so that might be a good 
one
ScottT
27-May-2005
[36]
Uniserve is very nice, I have been using it to prototype/test before 
I upload to actual server.  It broke my heart it was gpl.  BSD is 
very good choice.  Free software should not be restricted, and GPL 
has too many of those.    makedoc/spec is the killer app,  and in 
that intensional programming vein is coursing all the best documentation, 
and REBOL  does a fine job of documenting itself because it is so 
semantic by nature.  To understand how to use a moderately complex 
system like a full-featured web server, it is going to be important 
to capture the thinking of those who wrote the code.  REBOL parsing 
allows all information pertaining to the code to be right there with 
the code,  and a function of  DO -ing anything.  the standard documentation 
scheme should follow how REBOL [] headers work, and simply have the 
makedoc embedded within the scripts.
Volker
27-May-2005
[37]
but if you close free software, it is not free to your users, so 
restricted, which it should not be?
ScottT
27-May-2005
[38x2]
BSD is good.  GPL is not.
was all I was saying.  I don't mind that uniserv is gpl, but thing 
gpl incompatible with BSD
Volker
27-May-2005
[40x2]
BSD allows jailing free birds. GPL forces to let them go free next 
spring :) and only if they want to go with their binary offsprings.
BSD->GPL works pretty well. GPL->special license agreement will work 
pretty well to. But jaillable software usually has to be paid.
ScottT
27-May-2005
[42]
what do you mean by jailable.  not a term I am familiar with regarding 
software.
BrianH
27-May-2005
[43]
For that matter, what do you mean by software being paid. Do you 
mean paid for?
ScottT
27-May-2005
[44x2]
no, I am saying that any software that purports to be "free" should 
not restrict my use.  It is not free if it forces me into a box.
it is coercive in the same way EULA is
Volker
27-May-2005
[46x2]
jailable: taking free software, change a bit, close it. BSD.

paid: yes. goto DcKimbel, say "your Uniserv is wooonderfull!! How 
many bucks". I am sure you can make a deal and jail - uhm, close 
your project as much as you want.
But use has to be restrict somehow. either your use, or the use of 
your users. some people think its better to restrict nobody except 
the restricters. means you in this case.
ScottT
27-May-2005
[48]
very good.  crazy dual star that free as in spirit  <-->  free as 
in not paid.
Volker
27-May-2005
[49x3]
BSD guys may think "ah, but you are a coder! much more like us. about 
the users, well.." ;)
GPL says nothing about "not paid". It says, if your * breaks  you 
can go to everyone who can repair *. be * car, refridgerator or some 
softwarre.
while closed means, you can go to the central commitee of **, politely 
inform them and hope they dont jail you.
ScottT
27-May-2005
[52x2]
yeah, well, I'm a hobbyist.  I write a lot of code that I don't mind 
people using however they like so long as they don
t bug me about it.
Volker
27-May-2005
[54]
then GPL or BSD should make no difference to you?
ScottT
27-May-2005
[55x4]
well, it sorta does.  because what if I want to release something 
someday as an actual product, and I go digging around trying to figure 
out what is what and I find gpl in there alongside bsd.
If I would have known beforehand the restrictions that gpl would 
place not only on me, but that I would be forced to pass on. . .
that's a deal breaker for me and I bounce the gpl stuff.
not "free" enough in a hobbyist sense.
Volker
27-May-2005
[59x2]
i guess that is why GPL forces you to make everything GPL up front.
you will not find GPL "somewhere" then.
ScottT
27-May-2005
[61x2]
yep, but I started coding long before I understood anything about 
licensing.
and anything longer than one page is done out of personal principle
Volker
27-May-2005
[63]
if you make an actuall product, i guess your base contributors would 
like some money too.
ScottT
27-May-2005
[64x2]
the issue with free is not about money
to me
BrianH
27-May-2005
[66]
Personally, I like the dual GPL/commercial licenses, where you must 
pay money to be allowed to restrict your users. Either that or the 
Classpath-style GPL with linking exception, for those that don't 
care about the freedom down the line, but do care about contributions 
to the library itself.
Volker
27-May-2005
[67x2]
Well, you said "To understand how to use a moderately complex system 
like a full-featured web server, it is going to be important to capture 
the thinking of those who wrote the code.". and then you want to 
force your users not to look at it?
BrianH, i agree.
ScottT
27-May-2005
[69]
what?
Volker
27-May-2005
[70]
AFAIK the GPL-attorneys are thinking about the dual-license-line 
too.
BrianH
27-May-2005
[71]
I just use BSD for code I just don't care about at all, or for code 
that I want everyone to use, whether they are Jedi or Sith :)
Volker
27-May-2005
[72]
ScottH - choosing one of two ways. either passing the freedom by 
giving your changes away, or to pay the GPL-part coder with some 
of the money you get. As you would do if you hired a coder to do 
that part.