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[AGG] to discus new Rebol/View with AGG

Carl
22-Jun-2005
[187]
Yes, GUI work for apps often takes me 75% of my time -- so anything 
to reduce that helps.
Volker
22-Jun-2005
[188]
Agreed, that agg does good things to refrsh-speed :)
shadwolf
22-Jun-2005
[189]
CArl franckly I use all the day long Crimson Editor and it's suffisant 
... but sure an IDE that allow people to manage code / AGG graphics 
animation (a little bit like flash studio ) would be top ...
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[190]
(In other words, 75% of the app development time.)
Graham
22-Jun-2005
[191]
I use CE as well, but often switch to use View editor to edit ftp 
files
Volker
22-Jun-2005
[192]
But would need better support for "macros". such that the gui-designer 
can directly interact with the code.
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[193]
What I like about view editor is:  editor system/options, editor 
http://www.rebol.net, etc. ;)
shadwolf
22-Jun-2005
[194]
CArl it depend how shaped you want the UI ...  people in general 
want to pass the less time possible over the UI ...
Graham
22-Jun-2005
[195]
Carl, please exlain the 75% app development time.
Henrik
22-Jun-2005
[196]
I think the internal editor has some potential: Multiple docs for 
example could that be easily implemented?
Volker
22-Jun-2005
[197]
yes, thats cool :)
Graham
22-Jun-2005
[198]
ie. how exactly is that 75% app time being spent?
Volker
22-Jun-2005
[199]
do oyu think it is possible to add source-position to values? for 
the ide-version?
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[200]
Graham: getting GUIs to work perfectly, when they include a lot of 
special features and scrolling, etc, takes too much time.
shadwolf
22-Jun-2005
[201]
yes but other things like word colorisation could be very tricky 
 but it's ver usefull ;)
Graham
22-Jun-2005
[202]
Can any of that work be generalised to be used again?
Pekr
22-Jun-2005
[203]
ah, richt text? :-)
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[204]
Rich text is on the list to be provided soon.
Pekr
22-Jun-2005
[205]
yes? As proposed - TMD?
Graham
22-Jun-2005
[206]
I can see that Gateway demo took time ...
Pekr
22-Jun-2005
[207]
maybe with concept like min-face, we could have derived face, which 
could use multiple text and font subobjects, not just one, like current 
face?
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[208]
Yes, TMD.
Pekr
22-Jun-2005
[209]
Gatewa demo is really nice - always liked it ...
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[210x2]
Actually, Gateway demo GUI took no time at all.
I wrote an authoring system and gave it to the artist.
shadwolf
22-Jun-2005
[212]
http://shadwolf.free.fr/crimson.jpgis what I use to write rebol 
code and manage it ;)
Volker
22-Jun-2005
[213]
i once tried such a source-thing. was cool, browsing with kind of 
anamonitor and jumping right to the source from there. but without 
native support needed ugly hacky markup. if native, one could jump 
from a face straight to its sourcecode.
shadwolf
22-Jun-2005
[214]
it's very good we can configure hot links to run the script while 
you are working on it
Graham
22-Jun-2005
[215x2]
I hope it doesn't print in black!
Carl, do you intend to release a roadmap on what is planned for the 
immediate future?
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[217x2]
It would be good to experiment around with editor and see if it can 
deal with scripts as collections of functions, objects, data blocks, 
etc.
If you used Smalltalk editor, you know a bit more about what I mean.
Henrik
22-Jun-2005
[219]
a programmable editor?
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[220x2]
Or, also... think about Mac resedit -- sort of.
More than just programmable.
shadwolf
22-Jun-2005
[222]
no apsolutly not but a black back grounf makes the source code colored 
to be more shiny and it's less painfull than a white background ;)
Graham
22-Jun-2005
[223]
I don't think it should be a priority :)
Pekr
22-Jun-2005
[224]
yes, too much of stuff which was promissed, so what actually goes 
first? I expect - SDK, other ports, IOS to 1.3, - what then? View 
1.4 (styles?), rebservices?, rebin?, rif?, language plug-ins? VM? 
:-)
Graham
22-Jun-2005
[225]
Most people have their own favourite editors .. not going to change 
for anything.
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[226]
I've seen so many editors over the years... but so few that really 
help me more than just typing of text.
Volker
22-Jun-2005
[227]
thats what i mean. the trick is, don't try to be clever. load the 
library and just browse contexts.
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[228x2]
Actually, I've given up on using just one editor.
I used to be totally emacs only.
Volker
22-Jun-2005
[230]
and if you change something, load library new. then you have always 
in the browser what rebol really sees (what is in which context)
shadwolf
22-Jun-2005
[231]
Carl Well mine I type texte manage files and run script and anamonitor 
using hot keys
Volker
22-Jun-2005
[232]
only that you need somehow to go back to the source. was nice for 
error-handling too, btw :)
Pekr
22-Jun-2005
[233]
/me hopes Carl gets enough inspiration for next blog article here 
:-)
Henrik
22-Jun-2005
[234]
I think many editors aren't focusing on editing... they are more 
interested in project management or fancy highlighting/folding/whatever, 
rather than really good and responsive editing, proper indenting 
and block-editing.
Graham
22-Jun-2005
[235]
I miss the ability to collapse sections of code in CE.
Henrik
22-Jun-2005
[236]
If an editor lags all the time, just by typing simple code, it almost 
makes me knock the monitor off the table